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1 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35560 | ||
Mommapbs; The only thing that truly matters in any discussion of scripture is that we agree with scripture. The problem in incorect interpretation of scripture concerning this topic is that it could lead some to believe that the tribulation could not come in their life-time, because they have been told that they will be raptured before the tribulation. And if that is not true then when the tribulation comes, they will be confused, becasue they have been told that they would not be around when it happens and be caught off guard. So thats why it's important. Scripture has the final say. It's the final authority for all faith and practice. God richly bless zach† |
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2 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | childoftheking | 35593 | ||
zach†, I understand what you say about confusion but I'm not going to second guess all I believe in becuase I happen to be wrong about the timing of the rapture. I happen to believe in the "pre trib" rapture. Here's the thing, even if my interpretation of when the Lord is coming back is wrong, I'm still not going to deny my faith. I will still hold fast to the truth that the Lord is coming for his Church. I will still hold fast to the plain truth that Jesus will never leave me nor forsake me. I still know that the Ant-Christ is coming to decieve the world, so I believe I would bury myself deeper into the Word and into Prayer with Jesus. My faith and hope concerning this is not based on "when" the Lord is coming back but that he "is" coming back and this I believe that all Christians can agree and I pray that we all keep that fact close to our hearts. God Bless bgg |
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3 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35603 | ||
bgg; God bless your heart You stated: "I still know that the Ant-Christ is coming to decieve the world" Scripture says: 1John 2:18 ¶ Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. So as you also stated "continue to hold to the truth and to your faith" that sounds like a good plan. God bless you Grace and peace zach† |
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4 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 35616 | ||
Zach, have you ever noticed when people quote the following verse that they assume more then the verse actually says. Matthew 24:36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. What does is say, DAY and HOUR i.e. don't try to set a date. But the Bible does state specifically that we will know the season. 1 Thes. 5:1-2 Now, brothers, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. I don't think that Paul could say this to the Church today: 1 Thes. 5:4 But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. What do you think? CDBJ |
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5 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35623 | ||
CDBJ The following scripture comes to mind; Therefore be on the alert, for YOU do not know which day YOUR LORD is coming. But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the theif was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. For this reason YOU be ready too; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when YOU do not think He will (Matthew 24:42-44 NASB) The question I have for you my friend is concerning those pronouns in this text. The words "you" and "your" Who is Jesus speaking to ? Is "you" and "your" in this text referring to believers or unbelievers? Who is this text addressed to? I personally believe Jesus is speaking to believers. The reason I believe that can be seen in verse 42 where it says; "your Lord" That could not be referring to the unsaved. And look at what He says in verse 44: "you be ready" (be ready is a key phrase) "you be ready ... for the Son of Man is coming at an hour WHEN YOU DO NOT THINK HE WILL." We are to be patiently waiting for His return. We are to be prepared and ready at all times.(see Luke 12:35-40 on this also) Finally, just one more excellent verse concerning being prepared and ready: Rev. 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. (KJV) Grace and peace zach† |
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6 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 35706 | ||
There isn't a doubt in my mind but that Christ was speaking to believers in Matthew, they are the ones that ask the question. Matthew 24:3-4 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world? 4And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. The hot topic of debate is this, are there any prophesies yet in Scripture that have to be fulfilled before Christ can return! I say yes, or there is a lot of Scripture that must be rationalized away by some mean or another, for the imminent return of Christ to be true; as so many that believe in the pretrib. position claim. I use to believe in the pretrib. position but there were always so many loopholes, and the posttrib. position is worse yet. |
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7 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35717 | ||
CDBJ; As a new believer I too once accepted the pre-trib rapture theory. But after years of reading and re-reading scripture, I began to see portions of scripture that to me proves the false-hood of the pre-trib theory. Inside me there is a desire to wish the pre-trib theory were true, but being the realist I am, scripture tells me pre-trib is not true. So in that sense I agree with you. May the God of all grace abound and give you His love and peace. zach† |
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8 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | CDBJ | 35737 | ||
I have to agree with you that the pretrib. position would be my choice if I had anything to do with it, but that is not the case. The Bible says what it says weather I like it or not. I think that believers want to believe everything in the Bible, but when we get a preconceived thought in our heads it is hard to understand or break the pattern to let a new thought in even if the old thoughts are proven defective. Let me give you an example which we have been discussing, Matthew chapter 24 in contrast to I Thess. 1 Matthew 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. Now if we compare this verse with the following verse the pretrib, position looks rather obvious, or does it. 1 Thes. 1:10 And to wait for his Son from heaven, whom he raised from the dead, even Jesus, which delivered us from the wrath to come. Both of these verses are true but without using all of God's word to establish the timing of the two verses mentioned one might come up with only one solution. The problem in question is in two different kinds of trouble; one is called the great tribulation and the other is called wrath. When we try to make them both the same that is where the fly gets in the soup. Just analyzing the words of Christ, in reference to the severity of the great tribulation, it couldn't be the wrath of God because there was a time that was worst then this; when God destroyed the whole world by water, yet Jesus said that since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. This is a definite reference to a tribulation that believers will have to face and it is not coming from God because he is going to stop it for the elect's sake, he isn't the cause but he sure is going to put a hault to it. Then there are those that will say yes, but the rapture has already taken place and those are the elect of the tribulation. I tell them if that's the case it still couldn't be God's wrath because ALL believers have the same promise, that believers will not suffer God's wrath; even the 144,000 thousand are sealed for protection before God's wrath takes place. |
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9 | tribulation vs. wrath | NT general Archive 1 | zach† | 35754 | ||
CDBJ; I couldn't agree with you more... Big difference between the tribulation, and the wrath of God which are yet future but separate events. But thank God we are delivered from the wrath to come. God Bless you zach† |
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