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1 | IS there any answers out there? | NT general Archive 1 | Ken hepting | 100019 | ||
[Doctrine cannot be made on the strength of a single verse. What can you offer in way of support for your use of Rom 4:15? You will also need to prove that departed infants are not elect! Which leads us back to the basis of election in the first place.] Is that what I'm doing here? If you can show that infant's, in some way, have an understanding of the law of God and are therefore accountable, I'll agree with you. |
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2 | IS there any answers out there? | NT general Archive 1 | John Reformed | 100031 | ||
Gee Ken, why don't you ask me a hard question? :-( But, seriously, God has revealed only that which He is pleased to reveal, and your question must remain unanswered (at least by me). I think that the answer to the fate of innocents may be found in an examination of the covenental relationships that God has established between Himself and men. The first Adam was the covenant head for his wife and all of his posterity. If Eve alone had sinned the race as a whole would not have her sin imputed to them. But when Adam fell we all fell in him. Under the New Covenant Christ (the second Adam) is our covenant head. He did not fail the test but, even though He was tempted, He did not fall! As a result of His perfect obediance, His righteousness has been imputed to those who are in covenant with Him, who are said to be "in Christ". On this foundation, infants must be members of the new covenant if they are to be saved. God has not said how He has achieved this end. Nevertheless, I believe that He has made a way for those who were incapable of actually sinning themselves, but who were subject to judgement because of imputed sin. Matt 24:30,31 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. Notice that there is no mention of any one but "His elect" being gathered together. I have found no evidence that there are "others" in heaven who have been saved apart from union with Christ, which your theory would neccessitate. John |
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3 | IS there any answers out there? | NT general Archive 1 | Ken hepting | 100035 | ||
[Gee Ken, why don't you ask me a hard question? :-( But, seriously, God has revealed only that which He is pleased to reveal, and your question must remain unanswered (at least by me). I think that the answer to the fate of innocents may be found in an examination of the covenental relationships that God has established between Himself and men. The first Adam was the covenant head for his wife and all of his posterity. If Eve alone had sinned the race as a whole would not have her sin imputed to them. But when Adam fell we all fell in him.] I understand, John. My aim is to get us to see things STRICTLY from the Biblical explanation and not extra "stuff' handed us supposedly of a doctrinal "Bull" since alot of it is that. You speak of Adams sin and I agree whole heartly with you but need you to say what [verse/chapt] you base that on. I gotta laugh on this because if you get it right you get a prize, if not go directly to jail without passing go. Once you see this you'll have to conclude some things. |
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4 | IS there any answers out there? | NT general Archive 1 | Ken hepting | 100045 | ||
[On this foundation, infants must be members of the new covenant if they are to be saved. God has not said how He has achieved this end.] Sure He has, John. Does not this verse imply that: 1 John 3:5 [NASB-u] "......in Him there is no sin. Now lets put that with His words in Mark where says this and make no acceptions or exclusions given the age: Mark 10:14 (NASB-U) But when Jesus saw this, He was indignant and said to them, "Permit the children to come to Me; do not hinder them; for the kingdom of God belongs to such as these. Again, may I remind you that there was nothing to hinder that priviledge the children had. No law....no sin imputed. They couldn't be denied for such is the Kingdom made of...Why read into it "stuff" that's not there. [Nevertheless, I believe that He has made a way for those who were incapable of actually sinning themselves, but who were subject to judgement because of imputed sin.] Ok but you offer nothing because there is nothing other than "no law, no imputed sin" condition of the individual to support that, which is sufficient for my argument. Even the 'Downs syndrome people' are exempt under those guidelines even though they may be adult. That should bring comfort to alot of people. [Matt 24:30,31 "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other. Notice that there is no mention of any one but "His elect" being gathered together.] And who's the 'elect', John, except those who abide in Christ and reside in His Kingdom here on Earth? Do you know what kind of a person that is? If you do then you should realize the challenge we all have and not continue to think all professing Christians will make the rapture. [I have found no evidence that there are "others" in heaven who have been saved apart from union with Christ, which your theory would neccessitate.] Rev. 20:12 (NASB-U) And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened; and another book was opened, which is the book of life; and the dead were judged from the things which were written in the books, according to their deeds. The books, John, who's in there and were their names written in there before or after the resurrection? |
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