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1 | IS there any answers out there? | NT general Archive 1 | Ken hepting | 100092 | ||
["Answer me this question: Were there the "Elect" in the Old Testament?" Yes. :)] How could there be? No salvation by the Christ; No "coming unto the Father except the Spirit draw him"...cause He hadn't been given yet. In other words there was no regeneration available so when the 'righteous' died they went and waited to be redeemed. Isn't that right? If not where'd the righteous go? If you say there was none righteous then please explain a few people to me. David, Daniel, Jeremiah...Need I go on? But then, on the other hand, if you say God chose first strictly for His good pleasure then what you are saying is God is a respector of persons. But then that's not so, correct? |
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2 | IS there any answers out there? | NT general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 100098 | ||
"How could there be? No salvation by the Christ" No one has ever been saved apart from Christ. Ever. Abraham was saved by Christ. So was David, even if they didn't have the fulness of God's revelation, they were saved by the promise of God's redemption (Romans 4). 'No "coming unto the Father except the Spirit draw him"...cause He hadn't been given yet' The Spirit had not been given in the sense that He was at Pentecost, but one can be drawn by the Spirit without being indwelt by the Spirit. Since Jesus himself said the words you quoted above (and he did so before his crucifixion), apparently this was an OT principle as well as an NT principle (as if these were two different things). "If you say there was none righteous" I didn't say it; David did, and Paul quoted him. "then please explain a few people to me. David, Daniel, Jeremiah...Need I go on?" Yes you do, because I still don't know what you think Paul meant when he quoted Psalm 14 in Romans 3. I am not arguing that the Bible didn't call men "righteous"; it certainly does (don't forget to include Lot, by the way). Now, what about what Paul said? --Joe! |
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