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1 | Entering Heaven | NT general Archive 1 | lushgush | 71097 | ||
My son was told by a Pastor last night that you have to be baptised to go to heaven. I don't believe you have to be baptised to get into heaven. I believe babtism is a outwoard show of the inward work. And yes you would want to be. But, I don't believe you have to be. Is there any scriptures I could give my son. He was given John 3. | ||||||
2 | Entering Heaven | NT general Archive 1 | rferg | 71132 | ||
This subject is a debated issue. We hear in church that baptism is an out ward show of the inward work. My question is why do new believers need to show an out ward sign to believers? It dosn't make sense to me. Now if we were showing to the world or lost that we were changed that would be different. Through baptism we die in a shallow grave of water to the old nature and rise a new creation in Christ. The old is past away and the new has come. We are washed in the blood of Jesus (like a blood transfusion) instead of sinful blood we now have the righteous blood of Jesus running through us. We didn't deserve this righteousness but Jesus is our righteousness. Our bodies become the temple of the Holy Spirit. We make a new covenant with God that we will obey his commandments- to love God and to love each other. Some things to think about! Did Jesus need to be baptized for the remission of Sin? NO of course not. I believe he was our example. Why was Jesus baptized before he began to preach the gospel? What happened when Jesus was baptized? He recieved the gift of the Holy Spirit. What if he wouldn't have been baptized as scriture prophesied? He wouldn't be able to give us the gift of the Spirit for one thing. Read the entire book of acts to your son. There is example after example (and I don't just mean one or two) every believer was immediately baptized. 1 Cor. 12:13 For by one Spirit we were all baptized into one body, whether Jews or Greeks, whether slaves or free,and we were all made to drink of one Spirit. Realize that as a believer that you want to be apart of the body of Christ (not the physical chruch you attend a few times a week). When you are baptized you become part of the body of Christ. You are sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise and you cannot be stolen out of His hands. When you are apart of the body (His body) read all of 1 Cor. 12 you will see that you have apart to do in the body of Christ. This is an interesting scripture to me. In John 3 Nicodemus, a ruler of the Jews said to Him, "Rabbi, we know that You have come from God as a teacher, for no one can do these signs that You do unless God is with him." Jesus answered and said to him Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again , he cannot see the kingdom of God.4 Nicodemus said to Him, How can a man be born when he is old? He cannot enter a second time into his mothers womb and be born can he? 5 Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh (born in the physical during child birth) and that which is born of Spirit is spirit. 7Do not marvel that I said to you, You must be born again. You cannot be re-born unless you first die. Notice it says unless you are born of the water and the Spirit, it already talks about being born in the flesh (child birth), many refer to the water in the birth bag as the water it's referring to)but this couldn't be it referrs to being born (physically) as born of the flesh. When we are baptized in water we die to our nature we were born with and we are reborn a new creation by the Holy Spirit of God in Christ. So if we are not baptized we are not born again. Most churches preach other wise. They seem make us believe if we are in a crissis and come to church listen to a sermon and raise our hand and sight a few sentences we are born again. Mark 16:16 He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved, but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. Many chose to use the example of when Jesus was on the cross there were two theives. One realized Jesus was the Christ (savior of the world) and he repented. Jesus said he would be him (Jesus) in paradise, meaning heaven. He was not baptised how could he go to heaven? We can use this as an excuse not to get baptized or we can let it show us that God is loving and merciful. If we believed in our heart and we were killed on the way home from church we would certainly enter heaven. But this one example should not overshadow the many scripture that teach us about baptism. I think the problem is that we have been taught that we need to be baptized in the Church by a paster. In the bible it gives us the example that the diciples are the ones who baptized when they presented the gospel to unbelievers. This means you can be baptized in your pool, lake or river by the person leading you to Christ. There is proof of this all through the book of Acts. We don't have to wait for the orgainized chruch once a month or quarterly. So this is what I know from my study on the subject. I hope you will sift through it will a fine tooth comb and move in the direction God has for you and you son. Sincerely |
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3 | Entering Heaven | NT general Archive 1 | Searcher56 | 71210 | ||
Scripture ... John 3:5-8, Mark 16:16 ... rferg, greetings. In John 3:5 "water" is not referring to the not-yet-existent ritual of Christian baptism. The entire passage is the activity of the Holy Spirit in contrast to the flesh, it would be strange to shift to the ritual. In verse 8, "born of the Spirit" (no mention of water this time) is likened to the wind blowing. Is being born of the Spirit and being born by the wind are not two different things? Then why think being "born of water" and being "born of the Spirit" are different? In Mark 16:16 it does not say if we believe and are not baptized that we are condemned. It says if we do not believe we are condemned. Also, it does not say if you are baptized that you are saved. Mark and others presumed that all believers would be baptized. DO NOT read more into the text. Read my response to Christian tim. Searcher |
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4 | Entering Heaven | NT general Archive 1 | rferg | 71286 | ||
Greetings! Mark 16:16 clearly states "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved." Why wouldn't you want to be baptized into the body of Christ, the kingdom of God? Why do so many resent and resist baptism? At the beginning of Matthew, Mark , Luke and John the writer is trying to prove the diety of Jesus that He is the Son of God. The very next thing is for sinners to repent and be baptized by John the baptist, then we see Jesus coming to John 3:13 Then Jsus arrived from Galilee at the Jordon coming to John, to be baptized by him. But John tried to prevent Him, saying, I have need to be baptized by You, and do You come to me? 3:16 And after being baptized, Jesus went up immediately from the water, and hehold, the heavens were opened and he saw the Spirit of God descending as a dove and coming upon Him. Jesus was baptized in water in the Jordon (not a church building) during that time he recieved the promise of the gift of the Holy Spirit from His Father. Did Jesus need to be baptized to wash away His sins? NO, of course not. But when He was baptized He recieved the Holy Spirit. After He was baptized and recvd. the Spirit is when he started preaching the Gospel. Jesus is our example! We need the Holy Spirit living in us. We are a temple of the Holy Spirit. Notice that at Pentecost all who believed were baptized that day adding the their number 3000. All who believed. The entire book of Acts is filled with example after example of every believer wanting to be baptized even in the middle of the night. There is no mention, not even once of anyone who didn't want to get baptized or who question baptism as a part of salvation. I personally think we have a misunderstanding of what baptism is. This is the reason why we don't think it's important to be baptized. It is a Spiritual act for those who believe. The most important aspect of baptism is being filled with the Holy Spirit. That's why the devil wants you to believe it's not important. Also as your reading the bible notice it is those who are preaching the gospel (disciples) who are baptizing. When we as children of God (disciples) lead someone to Christ we can baptize at that time in water. This is the religious hinderance to baptism. I disagree with your interpatation of John 3:5. If you begin at the beginning of John and move forward you will see after the deity of Christ, the witness of John the Baptist and Jesus being baptized and filled with the Holy Spirit then Jesus begins His ministry of preaching the gospel. John 3 begins with the 2 births, physical and spiritual. John 3:5 Jesus answered, Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit (Jesus was baptized in water and filled with the Holy Spirit during that experience), he cannot enter into the kingdom of God (this is the born again experience). In verse 6 he says that which is born of the flesh is flesh (physical birth). So through baptism in water we are born again (shallow grave) dying to our old self and being re-born of the Spirit. Jesus is the baptizer of the Holy Spirit. He gives us this gift just as the Father gave it to Him. I believe the point in verse 8 is speaking about the Holy Spirit. The Spirit is not something we can put our hand on or show to others it's like the wind, you know the presence but you are not in control of it. Now in John 3:14 it gives us the example of Moses lifing up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of Man be lifted up. Numbers 21:9 is the example. 15 that who ever believes may in Him have eternal life. Read Numbers and notice what they had to do. There was an action to their belief. They had to look up at the bronze serpent if they beleived or they died. Why would this scripture be here? For an example to those who believed. Then we go to John 3:16 and by it's self is taken out of context. Those who believe will have everlasting life. But if you continue to read to verse 22 it say After these things Jesus and His desciples came into the land of Judea, and there He was spending time with them and baptizing them. 23 And John was also baptizing in Aenon near Salim, because there was much water there: and they were coming and were being baptized. 26 And they came to John and said to him, Rabi, He who was with you beyond the Jordan, to whom you have borne witness behold, He is baptizing, and all are coming to Him. 3:33 He who has received His witness has set his seal to the, that God is true. 34 For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God: for He gives the Spirit without measure. 35 The Father loves the Son, and has given all things into His hands. 36 He who believes in the Son has eternal life, but he who does not obey the Son shall not see life, but wrath of God abides on him. Continues on in chapter 4 about baptizing. Belief is an action. |
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