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1 | I liked most of what... | Bible general Archive 1 | There | 12217 | ||
Hi EdB, I'm glad to hear that you stand up when it counts. I say that sincerely. As to what you call my pharisetical tendencies, I'm not even sure that I said it WAS of the devil, but I do think it is possible. And apparently you do not think that could even be a possibility by your reaction. And I don't think I necessarily have to prove that the Word speaks against it to recognize that it is not biblical teaching or practice. |
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2 | I liked most of what... | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 12243 | ||
Hi “There”, Don’t you see the dangers of calling something wrong that your not in the position to judge? Whether being “Slain in the Spirit” is of God, manifestation of the flesh, or deception by Satan is not yours to judge. If it violated a Biblical standard, precept, commandment, teaching, statue, law, or counsel then yes, it would have to be judged and judged as sin. However as we have said before there is no Biblically supported prohibition against being “Slain in the Spirit”. Therefore to call it wrong we have to be saying we are capable of judging peoples hearts and know why they are doing it. I don’t think any of us are ready to say that. You say that it is not necessary to prove that the Bible teaches against it to prove that it is not a Biblical teaching or practice. Your right it is not a Biblical teaching or practice, I have agreed with at all along. But is it wrong? Can we say it is wrong because it isn’t spelled out in the Bible? Again if it violated any Biblical teaching then yes we could. But in this case nothing is violated, no doctrine is modified, no commandment, precept, statue, teaching, or counsel is jeopardized so what makes it wrong? Other than the fact you don’t like and that my friend is being Pharisaical. |
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3 | I liked most of what... | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 12254 | ||
EdB: In regard to "slain in the spirit," you ask: "But is it wrong? Can we say it is wrong because it isn’t spelled out in the Bible? Again if it violated any Biblical teaching then yes we could. But in this case nothing is violated, no doctrine is modified, no commandment, precept, statute, teaching, or counsel is jeopardized so what makes it wrong? " First, let me say, EdB, I think you know that I esteem you very highly, have a great deal of respect for you, and count you as a friend. So, I want you to know that no personal offense or criticism is intended in my Note here. Let everyone understand that EdB is a conscientious, honest-hearted follower of the Lord. With all respect, I would like to reply to your question, as quoted above. It has already been adequately shown that "slain in the spirit" is absolutely without scriptural precedent. Nevertheless, I will not be drawn into a quarrel over this point. Believe it or don't believe it. It's each one's own choice. What makes the practice of being slain in the spirit wrong? I'm not saying the slayee is sinning when they experience being slain in the spirit. What I am saying is that the experience has been the cause of spiritual, emotional and physical damage. I quote Hank Hanegraaff regarding this. The following is not Hanegraaff's opinion or interpretation of Scripture. It is a simple matter of fact which can be supported by objective evidence. (I realize many people do not "like" Hanegraaff for various reasons. The main reason being that he points out error and bad doctrine wherever he finds it. God forbid that anyone should do that. Let's just go along with anything in the name of unity. I don't think so.) Hank Hanegraaff, in his Counterfeit Revival, has written about being “slain in the Spirit”: “Despite the pious attribution of this phenomenon to the Holy Spirit as well as the pragmatic addition of ‘catchers,’ multitudes continue to suffer spiritual, emotional and physical damage from this practice. Some have even died.” (www.equip.org/ ) "Furthermore, let me underscore the fact that I continue to be gravely concerned about the spiritual and physical consequences of unbiblical manifestations such as spasmodic jerking and being “slain in the spirit.' " (STATEMENT DP385 CRI Statement on December Meetings Between Hank Hanegraaff and Brownsville Revival Leaders) (www.equip.org/ ) If anyone still insists upon pretending there is nothing wrong with this harmful practice, then that is their right. It is also their right to believe in UFOs, leprechauns, the Tooth Fairy, etc. (Please, don't reply to me asking me if Hanegraaff is my god? That is absurd. And don't ask me to explain Hanegraaf. If you want further explanation or amplification of what he writes, go to the website and read the entire article for yourself. At the website, click on"Free Articles." Then use the Search function to find the above quoted articles. --JVH0212 "In essentials unity, in nonessentials liberty, and in all things charity." |
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4 | I liked most of what... | Bible general Archive 1 | glory777 | 12271 | ||
JVH0212- Maybe it itsn't my place to respond to this, but there are those who don't agree with everything Hanegraaf says. If that is what he thinks, so be it, but I know differently from personal experience. EdB and I both agree there are things that happen that are not genuine, but I think sometimes people may be faulted for throwing the baby out with the bathwater. If this is not a sin to the "slayee", if the person feels that the Lord has touched him in a special way, should we say "You can't that - you may get hurt." You are right, though, in that this is not for everyone, neither is Lutheranism, Baptist, Church of Christ, Methodist, etc. But to call what one believes a fairy tale, I think is going a little far. We are all one member of the body, I think, and as such, should respect and care for each other. Unless this forum is just for one religious view, I don't think taking one man's opinion as fact and saying his opinion overides everything and all else is like believing in UFO's etc. Debbie |
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5 | I liked most of what... | Bible general Archive 1 | kalos | 12281 | ||
Debbie: You write: "I don't think taking one man's opinion as fact and saying his opinion overides everything and all else is like believing in UFO's etc. " Did I not say that in regard to people suffering spiritual, emotional and physical damage, this "is NOT Hanegraaff's opinion...It is a simple matter of fact which can be supported by objective evidence." Debbie, I honestly appreciate and respect you. But I wonder, does anyone on this forum understand the difference between fact and opinion? |
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