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1 | 2 followups, masturbation and 1Cor7:2-5 | Bible general Archive 1 | Biynah | 47057 | ||
Markarios: You used the following verses to support your position that the Bible says that masturbation is sin: 1 Corinthians 6:18 "Flee immorality. Every other sin that a man commits is outside the body, but the immoral man sins against his own body I am sure you are aware that the New Testament was not written in English. It was written in Greek and later translated into English. The Greek word for immorality is "pornea". The English word immorality is not an equivalent to "pornea". The term immorality is vague and tends to lead one to think in a broader sense. The Greek word that Paul used denotes incest, adultery, and whoredom. It does not mean masturbation. To include masturbation under the umbrella of immorality is a language error. Sinning against your own body means engaging in the immoral conduct herein mentioned. That conduct specifically refers to whoredom, but could rightly include adultery and incest. But not masturbation. In your reference to Genesis 39:12, you are reading more into it than there is. Joseph fled from the temptation of adultery not the temptation to masturbate. Your use of Proverbs 7:23 to prove that masturbation is a sin is inappropriate because this scripture speaks of a man yielding to a harlot--not to masturbation. In 1 Corinthians 7:8-9, Paul is instructing those unable to contain themselves from sexual relationships. He advises that such people should marry. There is no hint he is talking about masturbation. And Matthew 5:27-30 is a teaching of Jesus, which basically teaches that the sin of adultery starts in a lustful heart. Jesus is not discussing masturbation but adultery. 1 Cor. 6:18 Fleeing sexual immorality here is talking about engaging with a prostitute which is a sin against your own body. Again, nothing about masturbation. 1 Corinthians 7:4 Paul addresses the fact that it is not right for a man or woman to deny each other sexual relations after marriage. Nothing is said or implied about masturbation. Now my friend, the scriptures you used do not in any way address masturbation, and so they do not in any way support your belief that masturbation is a sin. Your error appears to be a simple misunderstanding of words and terms. You have interpreted sexual immorality to include masturbation. And perhaps your experience justifies such an interpretation. But sexual immorality does not include masturbation. For the Bible clearly makes known in the Law of Moses what sexual immorality is. Anything not specifically mentioned cannot be included as immoral. Masturbation does not have to include lust. It can act as a release mechanism to keep one from lusting. But my intent is not to dissuade you from believing that masturbation is a sin. For you it is a sin. The Bible never says that masturbation is sin. This is what I want you to see. We must not preach the Word of God out of context. It is most Holy. And we cannot use it to stretch our position or prove a point that it does not say. God's Word is very plain. We must take it for what it says. We get into trouble, when we add or subtract to it, or try to make it mean what we want it to mean. Biynah |
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2 | 2 followups, masturbation and 1Cor7:2-5 | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 47572 | ||
Biynah, Your error is clearly in the fact that you divorce masturbation from sexual immorality when it is just that- sexual immorality! Your stand for the justification of masturbation is not only grievous, but you have failed to convince me and the rest of the Forum that masturbation is not sin. According to Webster's New World College Dictionary, 4th Edition, the etymology for the word "masturbation" is 'altered' or 'to DISTURB': "defilement ... to manipulate one's own genitals ... for sexual gratification." The meaning of this English word is clear, and it is grievous that a 'secular' source had to be used to point this out to you. Masturbation is the defilement of one's own body by indulging in the sexual pleasure and sin that a person is tempted with. It is a sin and should be discontinued, forsaken and entirely repented of. All of the Scripture that I have cited on this subject speaks volumes on masturbation, despite your weak attempts to refute what Scripture so plainly states! You have failed to justify the sinful act of masturbation, and you cannot show me any single verse in the Bible that clearly supports or leads anyone to believe that masturbation is a harmless choice that is left up to the person. You cannot divorce masturbation from sexual immorality, and the Bible states that sexual immorality is a sin. Therefore, masturbation is a sin, and this is clearly stated as such by reading the Bible. That is what you so plainly need to see and recognize! - Makarios |
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3 | 2 followups, masturbation and 1Cor7:2-5 | Bible general Archive 1 | Biynah | 47797 | ||
Makarios my friend, The word Makarios is Greek. I assume you know a little about Greek since you chose this as your user name. I explained to you that the Greek word for immorality is pornea. And that this word does not include masturbation as a definition. As for Websters dictionary it does nothing to help your cause. Does Webster by any chance say that masturbation is immoral, or sinful? If not, why do you even bother to say that it takes a secular source to prove this to me! I'm very surprised that you understand the scriptures you cited as you do. It shows you are young in the Word. I also blame it on your Bible translation and your bias, and the possibility that you looked up immorality in a concordance to prove your point rather than using the scripture in the light of its proper context. While a concordance is a useful tool ... it should never be abused to the point of using a particular verse out of context. Since the Bible is silent concerning masturbation the burden is not upon me to prove that the Bible says masturbation is okay. The burden is on you to prove it is sin. You have not. I do not rely on any one verse or even a number of verses that I look up in a concordance to support my understanding. I rely on the Bible as a whole from Genesis to Revelation -- and all that the Bible has to say on the subject. And the Bible is silent concerning masturbation. If masturbation was immoral it would have been noted in the Books of Moses. All other sexual sin was specifically mentioned and was not generalized under the term immorality. I hope you have read every word of the Books of Moses so you can know this truth. I will agree with you that masturbation does defile a man. But defilement is not a sin. The remedy for being defiled because your sperm comes out from you is to wash your flesh with water and be unclean until evening (see Leviticus 15:16-17). But the remedy for sin was a blood sacrifice. Unfortunately, you show ignorance in that you do not understand the Biblical difference between sin and defilement. If you don't know something -- why puff your self up as if you do? You are not answerable to me. You are answerable to God. As am I. The issue of whether masturbation is a sin will not be such an important matter when we stand before Him. But our integrity in handling God's Word will be. "But I say unto you, That every idle word that men shall speak, they shall give account thereof in the day of judgment." (Matthew 12:36). I sought to advise you on your mishandling and misinterpreation of God's Word. Not to prove to you that masturbation is not sin. Because it is for you -- and I would not want to cause you to stumble. It is you who must repent for misusing God's Word. I am sure it is not intentional. But nevertheless -- it can be just as harmful to another as if it were intentional. I shall continue to pray for you my friend. For your zeal is good. But you need wisdom and discernment. --Biynah By the way, I have a wonderful wife, so the issue of masturbation is not something I have to repent of. I never supported this issue for a personal need to masturbate as your text seems to presuppose. But I have supported this subject because you have grossly misused the Bible to prove your personal bias. |
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