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1 | you said I can remarry... | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 45597 | ||
What are you talking about? These post have been about marraige and divorce not redemption and salvation. You have totally misunderstood the subject of this discussion. Raven |
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2 | Raven, do you want ALL the Law? | Bible general Archive 1 | ChristLifer2001 | 45604 | ||
Raven, Yes, this subject is about marriage and divorce. And you are going to the Law alone as your standard for discussing this subject. Have you even read the verses in 1 Corinthians 7 concerning this subject? What did you think of this passage? The bottom line is the Law is the Law, whether for salvation, redemption, sanctification, justification, daily living, etc. If you are going to be under the Law for ANY purposes, then you must be under ALL of it. You are either under ALL the Law (including it's sacrificial system with animal sacrifice) or you are under grace with NONE of the Law. The just (who are now are in Christ - justified) shall live by FAITH, not Law. The Law is not of faith, it is of performance, and the believer is no longer bound by it. That is what I am talking about. And it is VERY relevant to marriage and divorce. The Law says that adulterers must be stoned (both parties). This doesn't meet that they need to get high first :), it means they must both die. Do you suggest we follow the Law? So if you wish to teach believers to be under the Law, then you yourself need to be under ALL of it. ChristLifer2001 |
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3 | Raven, do you want ALL the Law? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 45612 | ||
You wrote: " The bottom line is the Law is the Law, whether for salvation, redemption, sanctification, justification, daily living, etc. If you are going to be under the Law for ANY purposes, then you must be under ALL of it." While I agree that by the law no flesh shall be justified (Romans 3:20; Galatians 2:16), what is your Scriptural support that the believer in Jesus Christ has NO use of the Law? In addition, how do you explain passages like this, which refer to the application of God's law to a Christian? " Children, obey your parents in the Lord, for this is right. HONOR YOUR FATHER AND MOTHER (which is the first commandment with a promise), SO THAT IT MAY BE WELL WITH YOU, AND THAT YOU MAY LIVE LONG ON THE EARTH." --Ephesians 6:1-3 Paul quotes the fifth commandment verbatim and tells the Christian to follow it. "Fathers, do not provoke your children to anger, but bring them up in the discipline and instruction of the Lord." --Ephesians 6:4 This is basically a reiteration of Deuteronomy 6: God's law again. James refers to God's moral law as "the law of liberty" in James 1:22-25; 2:8-12. The law is the mirror into which Christians must look to see where how their sanctification is progressing. God still uses His perfect standard to convict us of our sin, to show us what Christ-like living looks like, and it drives us constantly to the Cross when we are reminded over and over that we are saved by Christ's righteousness and not our own. --Joe! |
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4 | Raven, do you want ALL the Law? | Bible general Archive 1 | ChristLifer2001 | 45620 | ||
Joe, If you will regress just a couple of posts in this chain, you'll see that I have listed plenty of scriptures that say that the believer is no longer under the Law. Paul makes it clear that the Law was made for the unrighteous (sinners) and not the righteous (justified). Sinners still need the Law to reveal to them that they are indeed sinners. That is why we must use it in the training of our children. Until they see their need for a Savior, they will not come to Him. Yes, the Law still has use, but it must be used properly - and that is to show sinners their need for Christ and the cross. But once that has happened, we are no longer under that tutor. It has served it's purpose. We now walk by faith in the Spirit, not in the Law. Of course the Holy Spirit in us will never prompt us to break God's morality. But even if we do, we are still not put back under the Law - we are still under grace. If we, as believers in Christ, are going to try to live under the Law, then Paul says in Galatians 5:3: And I testify again to every man who receives circumcision, that he is under obligation to keep the whole Law. With the Law, it is all or nothing. You are either under ALL of it - moral, ceremonial, cultural - or you are under NONE of it. Paul urges tells us we are no longer under it. Hope this helps. ChristLifer2001 |
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5 | Raven, do you want ALL the Law? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 45679 | ||
You didn't answer my question. If Paul and James intended to write that the believer is to have nothing to do with any aspect of the law, why does he quote one of the Ten Commandments as a command to those who are followers of Jesus Christ in Ephesians 6:1-3? Why does James refer to the law as a guide for believers in James 1 and 2? Please fit the Scriptures I cited above into your interpretation of Galatians. If they don't fit, then your interpretation needs adjustment. --Joe! |
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6 | Raven, do you want ALL the Law? | Bible general Archive 1 | ChristLifer2001 | 45686 | ||
Joe, Actually, I did partially answer your question. The Law is made for the unrighteous not the righteous. It still has a purpose and a function. But believers are no longer under it as a moral constraint or under it's punishment for failure to obey it. Children need to be taught the Law so that they will see that they are indeed sinners and turn to Christ. This is the Law's purpose. The law that James refers to is not the Mosaic Law (the 10 commandments), it is the law of Christ - love. James calls it the perfect law - the law of liberty. Hebrews 8:7 makes it clear that the Mosaic covenant was not perfect - it was "faulted." Why? Was there something wrong with the Law? No, of course not. There was something wrong with the ones who were supposed to keep it. So God has made a New Covenant and fulfills His righteous requirements in us through the Spirit instead of through external commandments. Galatians further does not call the Law "the law of liberty". To the contrary, Paul calls it a "yoke of slavery" - Gal 5:1. Paul even calls the Mosaic covenant the "ministry of death" in 2 Cor 3:7. Galatians demonstrates that we are no longer under the Mosaic covenant or the Mosaic Law. All the verses I listed from Galatians are quite clear with little room for "interpretation error." Now, does the Law reflection the moral character of God. Certainly. It thereby reflects the sinner's fallen nature also. But the Jews could never keep the Law, could they? Neither can we. In fact, apart from Christ Himself, we cannot measure up to God's actual moral character as reflected in the sermon on the mount and 1 Cor 13. But under the New Covenant, God has put His Spirit in us and we walk by faith in Him, trusting Him to lead and guide us as Christ lives through us. This will cause us to fulfill the law of Christ - loving God with all our heart and our neighbor as ourselves. This is something that the OT Jew could never do because their hearts were not changed. So though we are no longer under the Mosaic Law for guidance or punishment, we have Christ's law fulfilled in us. As He does this, it will certainly look like the OT Law is being fulfilled, but it is from an internal motivation, Christ's love in our hearts - Rom 13:8; Rom 13:10; Gal 5:14. The Law could never cause the Jews to reflect God's moral character - they couldn't keep it. The Spirit of Christ in the believer does fulfill God's character and requirements - Rom 8:4. Hope this helps. ChristLifer2001 |
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7 | Raven, do you want ALL the Law? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 45694 | ||
You wrote: "Children need to be taught the Law so that they will see that they are indeed sinners and turn to Christ. This is the Law's purpose." Please show me from Ephesians 6 where it indicates that Paul is talking to unregenerate children. Does Paul present the commandment from God to lead them to Christ? No, he repeats the promise that accompanies it in the Deaclogue. Obviously, Paul intends for the children to -- yes -- actually honor their fathers and mothers, which is possible with the indwelling Holy Spirit! There is nothing in his commands to family members in Ephesians 5 and 6 that suggests that he means anything else. --Joe! |
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8 | Raven, do you want ALL the Law? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 45700 | ||
Joe I was with to this point but the indwelling of the Holy Spirit is ludicrious. RAVEN |
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9 | Raven, do you want ALL the Law? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 45724 | ||
Ludicrous? "I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Helper, that He may be with you forever; that is the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it does not see Him or know Him, but you know Him because He abides with you and will be in you." --John 14:16-17 "However, you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. But if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he does not belong to Him." --Romans 8:9 "But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit who dwells in you." --Romans 8:11 "Do you not know that you are a temple of God and that the Spirit of God dwells in you?" --1 Corinthians 3:16 "Or do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit who is in you, whom you have from God, and that you are not your own?" --1 Corinthians 6:19 "Guard, through the Holy Spirit who dwells in us, the treasure which has been entrusted to you." --2 Timothy 1:14 'Or do you think that the Scripture speaks to no purpose: "He jealously desires the Spirit which He has made to dwell in us"?' --James 4:5 "The one who keeps His commandments abides in Him, and He in him. We know by this that He abides in us, by the Spirit whom He has given us." --1 John 3:24 "By this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit." --1 John 4:13 I am still looking for the "ludicrous" part. --Joe! |
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10 | Raven, do you want ALL the Law? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 45811 | ||
Joe my friend saying that the almighty God dwells in someone literally is inacurate. It is Gods word which should dwell in us. Colossians 3 16Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord John 14 10Do you not believe that I am in the Father, and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you I do not speak on My own authority; but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. If we say that the Holy Spirit literally dwells in us then we would have to say that it also allows us to sin. And thats just not possible. God is perfect, Jesus Christ is perfect and the Holy Spirit is perfect, man is sinful. What did Solomon the wisest man to ever live say: 1 Kings 8 26And now I pray, O God of Israel, let Your word come true, which You have spoken to Your servant David my father. 27"But will God indeed dwell on the earth? Behold, HEAVEN AND HEAVEN OF HEAVENS CANNOT CONTAIN YOU. HOW MUCH LESS THIS TEMPLE WHICH I HAVE BUILT! Neither can our sinful bodies hold the Almighty God within us either! RAVEN |
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11 | Raven, do you want ALL the Law? | Bible general Archive 1 | srbaegon | 45821 | ||
Hello RAVEN You are correct. The word of God dwells in us. Joe is absolutely correct. Examination of the Scriptures clearly shows that Almighty God does indeed dwell within us. Just because God is too great to be contained by any created thing does not mean He cannot have His presence dwell there. God dwelt in both the tabernacle and temple (Exod 25:8,22). He dwells in believers as well. Steve |
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12 | Raven, do you want ALL the Law? | Bible general Archive 1 | RAVEN | 45855 | ||
Then God is a sinner just like man then. If reduce God to literally dwelling,that is living inside your body, then you have to associate God as being a partaker of sin. And thats just not scriptural I don't care how you look at it. Habakkuk 1 13You are of purer eyes than to behold evil, And cannot look on wickedness. Jesus Christ was totally human. He was also totally God. He was fully human as we are and yet He was deity. And you say that it is possible to have part of the Godhead inside our mortal bodies? Noway! This is mans way of saying if "I" do something wrong, if "I" sin then thats ok its no big deal because the Holy Spirit is in "me" and "I'm" once saved always saved and everything is alright and so "I'm" going to keep on doing what "I" want to do!! Man thinks it's all about him, but its not. Haven't you ever heard someone say, "He's got his daddy in him" or "she's got her mother in her". Well we know the are not really inside one another, but its their attributes that make them seem just like each other. And that is what God wants and has said. 1 John 1 Fellowship with Him and One Another 5 This is the message which we have heard from Him and declare to you, that God is light and in Him is no darkness at all. 6If we say that we have fellowship with Him, and walk in darkness, we lie and do not practice the truth. 7But if we walk in the light as He is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus Christ His Son cleanses us from all sin. 8If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the TRUTH IS NOT IN US. 9If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. 10If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and HIS WORD IS NOT IN US. 1 John 3 9Whoever has been born of God does not sin, for HIS SEED REMAINS IN HIM; and he cannot sin,(CONTINUE IN SIN) because he has been born of God. Luke 8 11 "Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God. RAVEN |
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13 | Raven, do you want ALL the Law? | Bible general Archive 1 | srbaegon | 45876 | ||
Hello RAVEN Wait a minute. First, you prove that God can live in mortal flesh (Jesus Christ), and then you tell me it's impossible for God to live in mortal flesh. Which is it? And where do you get the idea that having the Holy Spirit dwelling in us gives us the right to live a wanton lifestyle? Go read Romans 6. Of course God wants us to reflect His attributes. That's part of the reason the Holy Spirit indwells us (Rom 8; 1 Cor 2; Gal 5:16-18). And having the Holy Spirit indwelling us does not make Him a partaker of our sin. There are two spirits at work here--God's and mine. He doesn't possess us like a demon, taking over complete control. Steve |
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