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1 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 38102 | ||
Well, posting Watchtower publications is not the same as posting "facts," I can assure you. It is also somewhat dishonest to copt and paste from a Watchtower publication and pass it off as your own writing. When my students do that, we have a word for it: plagiarism. As far as facts go, what do you think of the facts that I gave you regarding the historicity of the Trinity? Do you plan on ignoring that, or are you going to look at well-reasoned views opposing the Watchtower teachings? If you are truly searching for the truth, it will do you no good if you just but what the JW's say hook, line, and sinker. And speaking of the motivations of religious organizations, what do you think the motivation is behind the Watchtower deliberately leaving the writings of the ante-Nicene fathers out of their attack on the Trinity? Do you think that their motives are pure? They have much more of an organizational structure than the evangelical church in America does, so it can truly be said that accepting Watchtower teachings means green stuff for one particular organization. Did you know that many Watchtower teachings themselves have changed dramatically since the organizations' inception in the late 1800s? Did you know that they have financially ruined the lives of thousands of their followers by falsely predicting the end of the world no less than four times in the last century, leading many of their followers to sell everything and go on the door-to-door circuit full time? Watchtower teachings on the Trinity have been answered time and time again by many notable scholars of the Bible, including the one whose book I referenced for you before. So what has the Watchtower said about the facts that I have posted this weekend? Why don't you ask them? After all, are you just going to buy into what someone tells you just because they seem to know the Bible? Or are you going to check out the best arguments from both sides for yourself? --Joe! |
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2 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 38166 | ||
Hi Joe, Of course I am going to get the book you have mentioned in your posting and compare my facts for it would only be fair, thats what I have been doing and I will not stop now. You can mention Jehovah's witnesses as much as you like, this will never cover up the fact the trinity was created by Emperors and clergymen with their minds corrupted more about power and less about christianity for if they were concerned about their fellow man they would not have persecuted them along with burning them with their Bibles knowing people would figure out there corruption all backed with a history of paganism. *Yes I have and still will study the books recommended on the the Trinity and will tell you how I feel about the information presented in the book you referred. *You cannot change history and how a Doctrine developed from history *Execution was done in the past against people who did not go along with the Trinity doctrine. **This is the doctrine you support. **And this is the Doctrine you are teaching young adults. **Are you practicing what you preach and teaching these things about paganism and execution for not believing in the Trinity Doctrine to your students? |
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3 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 38171 | ||
You wrote: "You can mention Jehovah's witnesses as much as you like, this will never cover up the fact the trinity was created by Emperors and clergymen with their minds corrupted more about power and less about christianity" Well, why even investigate anything if nothing is going to change your mind about the "true" history of the Trinity? Save your money and let someone else tell you what to believe! You wrote: "*You cannot change history and how a Doctrine developed from history" You are absolutely correct. However, a group with an agenda can always withhold evidence from a non-critical audience to "prove its point." The question remains as to which group is playing fast and loose with the truth here. "*Execution was done in the past against people who did not go along with the Trinity doctrine." Execution has gone all throughout human history for countless reasons. That has no bearing on the truth or falsehood of the Trinity. In Yemen today, I would be killed for espousing a Trinitarian God. That does not mean that I am right or wrong. It just means that someone doesn't like what I am saying. "**This is the doctrine you support." This is what the Bible teaches. "**And this is the Doctrine you are teaching young adults." When I can, yes. "**Are you practicing what you preach and teaching these things about paganism and execution for not believing in the Trinity Doctrine to your students?" Paganism has nothing to do with the Trinity, and see my notes on execution above. I think we have already sais just about everything we can to each other. I have examined in great detail the doctrine of the Trinity, the Biblical support of it, its history, and arguments against it (after all, how do you think I identified the source of your quotes so easily?). The fact is that history clearly testifies that the Trinity was not some fourth-century invention, and that the Bible clearly reveals there to be one God existing eternally in three Persons. The only evidence that you have presented in defense of your anti-Trinitarianism is a cut-and-paste from a JW pamphlet, which could hardly be classified as having done your homework. Go back over all of the material I have posted this weekend. Examine it for yourself. If after careful examination you have any substantive attacks against what these early Christian writers and contemporary Bible scholars have to say, I eagerly await your learned analysis. --Joe! |
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4 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 38241 | ||
Hi Joe, you said the Bible has the Trinity in it. Can you give me some verses I can look at to examine? |
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5 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 38248 | ||
Greetings wannabe, I KNOW that Reformer Joe can prove you wrong, and I will give him some help. Please look through the following verses and explain to me how the TRINITY cannot be found in these verses: Matt. 3:16, Matt. 28:19, Luke 3:22, John 3:34-35, John 14:16-17, John 14:26, John 15:26, John 16:7, John 16:13-15, Acts 1:2, 1:4-5, Acts 2:33, Acts 10:36-38, Romans 1:3-4, 8:9-11, 8:26-27, 1 Cor. 12:3-6, 2 Cor. 1:21-22, 2 Cor. 5:5, 2 Cor. 13:14, Galatians 4:4,6, 2 Thess. 2:13-14, 2 Thess. 2:16, 1 Tim. 3:16, Titus 3:4-6, Hebrews 9:14, 1 Peter 1:2, 1 Peter 3:18, 1 John 5:6-7 Do you have any explanation at all? - Makarios |
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