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1 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | Reformer Joe | 37786 | ||
I am sorry that people did such a bad job of explaining the explaining the Trinity. The egg analogy does not work just like every other analogy falls short. A skilled and knowledgeable individual should have taken the Bible and shown you why the early church concluded (correctly) that God exists eternally as one being and three persons. Jehovah's Witnesses have a great knowledge of the teachings of the Watchtower Society, and they have been trained to use Bible passages to proof-text what they have been told. They are indeed dedicated to training themselves to communicate their message, but since most do not study the Bible independently of what their Watchtower magazines and "Bible study" books tell them to look up, they are not a real match for someone who knows Christian doctrine well. I have in my own library "Reasoning From the Scriptures," which is basically their quick reference guide to tell them what to say should an individual respond with a particular question. I would disagree with the statement that they know the Bible well; I would sadly agree that they are more familiar with some of its contents than many professing Christians. "Do you think God will forgive us for ignorance and laziness especially when it comes to his Word?" I think God is extremely displeased with Christians who do not know the Scriptures, who do not take the time to know what the Bible says and teaches. You wrote: "Hasn't it ever crossed your mind why most of the Holidays we celebrate today involving Christ is led back in history to PAGANISM?" Actually, this is not accurate. While the Christian holidays are celebrated on the same days as many Roman pagan festivals, this was not a capitulation to the pagans as much as it was a conquering of them. In other words, Christmas is celebrated at the same time as Saturnalia to demonstrate Christendom's vanquishing of paganism, much as the conquistadors of the New World tore down Aztec temples and built churches on top of them. Christmas was never Saturnalia in disguise. Easter is not a celebration of Ishtar in disguise. Both represent the supplanting of one belief system with another. --Joe! |
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2 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 37887 | ||
TRINITY... The CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA claims: A Dogma so mysterious presupposes a Divine revelation." Catholic Scholars Karl Rahner and Herbert Vorgrimler state in their Theological Dictionary: "The Trinity is a mystery...in the strict sense...which could not be known without revelation, and even after revelation cannot become wholly intelligible." However, contending that the Trinity is such a confusing mystery, it must have come from divine revelation creates another major problem. Why? Because Divine revelation itself does not allow of such a view of God: "God is not a God of confusion."- 1Corinthians 14:33, Revised Standard Version (RS) Now, would God be responsible for a doctrine about himself that is so confusing that even Hebrew, Greek and Latin Scholars cannot really explain it? Why did so few of the educated Jewish religious leaders recognize Jesus as the Messiah? His faithful disciples were, instead, humble farmers, fishermen, tax collectors, housewives. Those common people were so certain of what Jesus taught about God that they could teach it to others and were even willing to die for their belief.-Mathew 15:1-9; 21:23-32,43 23:13-36 John 7:45-49;Acts 4:13 ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION: There is no evidence of any sacred writer even suspected the existance of the Trinity, it is to go beyond the words and intent of the sacred writers. Trinity: How did the Doctrine develop? Many think it formulated at the Council of Nicaea in 325 C.E. Not totally correct. It did lay the ground work for later trinitarian theology, but at that council there was no mention of the Holy Spirit being part of a godhead. Many years went by and lots of arguments on trying to develop the idea that Jesus was God. To try to solve the dispute, Roman Emperor Constantine summoned all Bishops to Nicaea[*Constantine was a PAGAN politician who worshiped the unconquered sun,converted to a christian when he got older and was baptized when he was dying] 300, a fraction of the total, actually attended. THE ENCYCLOPAEDIA BRITANNICA relates: Constantine himself presided, actively guiding the discussions, and personally proposed...the crucial formula expressing the relation of Christ to God in the Creed issued by the council, of one substance with the Father...Overawed by the Emperor, the Bishops ,with 2 exceptions only, signed the creed, many of them much against their inclination. After 2 months of furious religious debate, this pagan politician intervened and decided in favor of those that said Jesus was God. But Why? Constantine understood that the religious division was a threat to his Empire, and he wanted to solidify his domain. None of the Bishops at Nicaea promoted a trinity, however. They decided on the nature of Jesus and not the role of the Holy Spirit. Debates continued for decades. Emperor Theodosius was in charge now [so to speak] He established the creed of the council at Nicaea as the standard for his realm and convened the council of Constantinople in 381 C.E. to clarify the formula. That council agreed to place the Holy spirit on the same level as God and Christ. For the first time Christendom's Trinity began to come into focus. Was Theodosious a Godly person? Many opposed what was happening, Theodosious decided against them and they suffered violent persecution. It was only in later centuries the Trinity was formulated into set creeds. It was defined more fully with the Athanasian creed. Athanasius was a CLERGYMAN who supported Constantine at Nicaea. However Athanasius did not compose this creed. The creed was unknown to the Eastern church until the 12th century. Scholars in the 17th century had agreed that the creed was not written by Athanasius(died373)but was composed in southern France during the 5th century as well as being influenced there and in Spain in the 6th and 7th centuries and was used in the Liturgy in the Church in Germany in the 9th century and later on in Rome. Jesus and his followers spoke of an Apostasy with its "LAWLESS CLERGY CLASS." 2Peter 2:1; 1John4:1-3 Jude 3,4 (Acts 20:29,30 JB) (2Timothy4:3,4 JB) Throughout the Ancient world as far back as Babylonia, the worship of pagan gods grouped in threes, or triads was common. The influence was also prevalent in Egypt, Greece and Rome in Centuries before during and after Christ. In the preface to EDWARD GIBSONS HISTORY OF CHRISTIANITY, we read, if Paganism was conquered by christianity, it is equally true that Christianity was corrupted by Paganism. THE ENCYCLOPAEDIA OF RELIGION and ETHICS notes: "In Indian Religion, e,g.,we meet with the trinitarian group of Brahma, Siva, and Visnu; and in Egyptian religion with the trinitarian group of Osiris, Isis, and Horus...nor is it only historical religions that we find God viewed as a Trinity. *You can do the research, its endless. |
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3 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | believer57 | 37888 | ||
Dear "Unitarian", 1 John 5:7; "For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost, and these three are one". I know, mistranslation, added later, etc., etc. 2 Peter 2:1,2;,"But there were false prophets also among you, even as there SHALL BE false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even DENYING the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be EVIL SPOKEN OF". Stop reading the encyclopedia, and read the Bible for yourself.. God Bless...believer57 |
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4 | so, you're saying that they go to hell? | Bible general Archive 1 | wannabe | 37932 | ||
Hi Believer, 1 John 5:7?? | ||||||