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1 | can you lose your salvation | Bible general Archive 1 | plewisfamily | 17741 | ||
I feel that you can not lose your salvation. What are verses in the Bible that would prove me wrong. | ||||||
2 | can you lose your salvation | Bible general Archive 1 | EdB | 17742 | ||
This subject has been debated over and over. It is a highly inflammatory subject and one without end. It has caused much division and strife on this forum. Because it is so inflammatory and because it has been debated for centuries without conclusion there has been more or less a gentleman’s agreement made to stay away from the subject. However, if you want do a search on salvation, Calvinism, once saved always saved, eternal security, you should find enough to answer you questions or whet any appetite. Be Blessed and Be a Blessing EdB |
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3 | You can fall away, can you come back? | Bible general Archive 1 | Zacheriah7 | 17769 | ||
How can you believe there is no way of losing your salvation when reading Hebrews 6:4-6? It would seem to me that you can at least fall away? | ||||||
4 | You can fall away, can you come back? | Bible general Archive 1 | lovetosign | 17774 | ||
Hello Zecharia7! Good Question! I will see if I can give you some ideas on how to "digest" this seeming difficult passage. First, let's take a look at the person who fits the criterium of this passage (I use NASB, NIV works too): v.4 1. who have once been enlightened 2. have tasted of the heavenly gift 3. partakers of the Holy Spirit v.5 4. tasted the good word of God 5. [have tasted] the powers of the age to come 6 have[ing] fallen away My primary arguement would be for these 6 situations is in the form of a question: Which of these experiences are defined as Salvation? Enlightenment? tasted of the Heavenly Gift? Partakers in [the work of] the Holy Spirit? Tasted the Good Word of God? Tasted the powers of the age to come? I think that there may be a stronger connection with people who go to church, but have never made the connection with their heart. They get very comfortable and people just associate the with being Christian. If this person then falls away, how can they come back? To what would they come back to? Can they repent to Jesus whom they never truely accepted in the first place? No, instead because they have called themselves Christians and have fallen away, they put the name of Christ to shame. It reminds me that all Christians should be sure of thier salvation as Paul says: Philippians 2:12: "Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed--not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence--continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling," (NIV) I was not raised as a Christian but accepted Christ When I was 22 yrs old. I wonder how many people, who consider themselves Christians, have worked out thier salvation critically. Now, what I am NOT saying is that we should all doubt our salvation. Insted, critically take a look at our lives and ask ourselves if we really have that living growing dynamic relationship with Christ. If not. Why? Have you worked it out with God? With fear and trembling in the presence of God? I have been there (Not the pentecostal tremors). I have thought of what it means to follow Jesus and just how unworthy I am to get this salvation and I stand in AWE! Chief of sinners I come before God. Don't we all? Shouldn't we? Another arguement against this particular theology has to do with judgement. The Bible speaks many times to restore our brother. If the person is unrepententent, continue to reach them, then remove them from the fellowship of believers if they continue to remain in sin. Then it says to treat them as you would a non-christian. How then do we do that anyway? As an evangelical Christian should... with he Gospel. I do not know how this would fit into the faling away theology. In the falling away theology, the person loses thier salvation and are Damned to go to Hell forever, without the hope of salvation. Whew, what a judgement call! Jesus said we will be judged according to the measuring stick to which we measure others. When it comes to judging others as one who has "fallen away", i'm not touching it. I prefer to my choice over Judging the soul of another who once proclaimed Christ. I look forward to your reply. God's Blessings! Lewis. |
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5 | You can fall away, can you come back? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 17781 | ||
Greetings Lewis! This subject has many on the Forum leary, so I don't really want to get into the Arminian/Calvanism debate. However, I would like to address the question of whether or not the description in Heb. 6 can apply to a believer. Consider the following: 1) The first term in Heb. 6:4 desribes the person as being enlightened. The word is 'photizo'. This word is used again in Heb. 10:32 where it says, " Remember those earlier days after you had received the light, when you stood your ground in a great contest in the face of suffering." These people are also described in Heb. 10:39 as, " But we are not of those who shrink back and are destroyed, but of those who believe and are saved." So, I think this could definitely be a term describing true salvation and not just intellectual assent to the Gospel. 2) The person described in 6:4 is also said to have tasted of the Heavenly Gift. It can be debated what the Heavenly Gift is, but the word tasted means to participate in fully. For instance, this word is used in Heb. 2:9, "But we see Jesus, who was made a little lower than the angels, now crowned with glory and honor because he suffered death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone." Whatever the Heavenly Gift is, the person described took part fully. 3) The person in Heb. 6:4 is described as one who as "shared in the Holy Spirit." Can an unbeliever be described as someone who has shared in the Holy Spirit, especially in light of 2 Cor. 6:14, where 'metochos' (the same word translated as shared in Heb. 6:4) is used to describe the lack of a relationship between righteousness and unrighteousness? Futher, this word is used several other times in Hebrews. Heb. 3:1 talks about "sharing in the Heavenly calling." Heb. 3:14 talks about "sharing in Christ." I really don't see how these terms could describe a non-Christian! You some questions at the end of your post about the consequences of "a falling away theology." As an Arminian, my response would be that Heb. 6:4-6 doesn't describe someone who has simply slipped up. It describes a person (in my opinion) who has willingly rejected Christ in light of their full participation. Someone who slips should be restored, as you pointed out. But, the person in Heb. 6:6 has completly turned his back upon Christ. Just some thoughts! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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