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1 | Eternal Security? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 15518 | ||
Greetings Bill Mc! Don't worry, I haven't crucified anyone in a long time! :-) The only problem I would have with your exegesis is that it requires a rather random change of reference. How would anyone know which you was who? Plus, the context plainly says that they are being saved, so it could not refer to unbelievers. V. 1 also refers to them as having received and taken their stand upon this Gospel. Concerning 1 John 1:3, John describes a real fellowship. But, in v. 6, John describes individuals who say they have fellowship, but don't. So, I don't think 1 John would support this view. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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2 | What is 'being saved' here? | Bible general Archive 1 | Bill Mc | 15525 | ||
Dear Tim, Thanks for the reply. It was a thought. A little convoluted maybe, but still a thought. One important consideration though, is the word 'saved.' My studies have led me to believe that salvation or deliverance is a 3-fold process. I believe that my spirit is saved (delivered from the penalty of sin - spiritual death) at conversion. My human spirit was united with Christ's divine Spirit which is spiritual life. I believe that my soul (mind, will, and emotions) is in a process of being saved (delivered from the power of sin - sanctification). This is where God is renewing my mind with His Word to conform my behavior to the truth of His Spirit in me. And I believe that one day my body will be saved (delivered from the presence of sin - resurrection). It sure needs it. But, my true identity, who I am, is determined by my birth in Christ. That is who I truly am and therefore, if I physically die, I will be absent from my body and present with the Lord. So I am, at the deepest level of my being, truly saved (past tense). I am also, in my behavior, being saved (present tense). And one day (soon I hope), my body will be saved (future tense). Do you feel that any of this might apply to Paul's use of the term "being saved"? In Him, Bill Mc |
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3 | What is 'being saved' here? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 15533 | ||
Greetings Bill Mc! I'm not sure! One point that I might use against my exegesis is that "saved" is in v. 2 is actually a present, passive, verb. So, a better translation would be, "you are being saved". What then is the significance of the the present tense in this verse? I have heard some say that this could be a reference to santification rather than salvation. The only problem is that I don't know of any passages where "saved" is used in that way. Another possible "out" would be to question what "belived in vain" means. Does that mean lost or something else? However, from my point of view, the simplest explanation is what it appears to be saying. This would fit well with John 15, where abiding is the issue. Thanks for the thoughts! (Whooper! Groan) :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | What do you think of 1 Cor 1:18? | Bible general Archive 1 | Bill Mc | 15547 | ||
Hi Tim, Without straying too far from your subject (please forgive me), what about 1 Cor 1:18? Do you think that this in any way substantiates the, as I put it, 'soul salvation' of being (progressively saved)? Thanks, Bill Mc |
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5 | What do you think of 1 Cor 1:18? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 15552 | ||
Greetings Bill! I don't think so, but I'm not sure. I did a quick look at how Paul uses the word "save" throughout 1 and 2 Corinthians, but there doesn't seem to be any specific pattern. Sometimes he uses aorist (past tense), sometimes he uses future, and sometimes he uses present. Personally, I view salvation is a similar way to you. It includes regeneration (past), santification (present), and glorification (future). So, Paul may simply use different tenses depending upon how he is looking at salvation. In 1 Cor. 1:18 and 15:2, it may simply be that since we are living, we are being saved. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | What do you think of 1 Cor 1:18? | Bible general Archive 1 | Bill Mc | 15555 | ||
Dear Tim, thanks for the response. I'll let this one go. The only other meaning that crossed my mind was not a 'progressive' salvation for individuals but, rather, a progressive 'saving' of mankind down through history. Possibly, "but to all the people who are being and will be saved as the generations pass, it is the power of God." I don't know. But thanks, brother, for your input, critique, gentle spirit, and even for your hard questions. Keep contending for the faith. In Christ, Bill Mc |
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7 | What do you think of 1 Cor 1:18? | Bible general Archive 1 | Morant61 | 15562 | ||
Greetings Bill! This is what I love about an indepth discussion, one must really think. I have learned a lot! Thanks for your questions and input! Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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