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1 | Question for you Both? | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 13557 | ||
Here are SOME of the places in Scripture that PROVE that Jesus was, in fact, GOD HIMSELF!! Psalm 102:24-27, Psalm 110:1, Isaiah 7:14, Isaiah 8:13-14, Isaiah 9:6, Isaiah 40:3, Daniel 7:13-14, Micah 5:2, Matthew 1:23, Matthew 3:3, Matthew 11:19, Matthew 12:8, Matthew 22:42-45, Matthew 26:63-67, Mark 1:1, Mark 15:39, John 1:1, John 1:14, John 1:18, John 3:16, John 3:18, John 5:18, John 20:28, Acts 3:14, Acts 10:36, Acts 20:28, Romans 9:5, Romans 10:12, 1 Corinthians 1:9, 2 Corinthians 1:19, Galatians 2:20, Ephesians 4:13, Philippians 2:6, Titus 2:13, Hebrews 1:2, Hebrews 1:10-13, 1 Peter 2:8, 2 Peter 1:1, 2 Peter 1:17, 1 John 1:2, 1 John 3:23, 1 John 4:9, 1 John 5:10, 1 John 5:12-13, 1 John 5:20-21, Revelation 1:8, Revelation 1:11, Revelation 1:17, Revelation 17:14, Revelation 21:22, Revelation 22:13!!! Dear Bro. Tom, I REFUSE to let you off the hook here.. I challenge you to go through each and every single one of these Scriptures to see if Jesus was God Himself or not. What version of the Bible do you read out of anyway? I will tirelessly refute every single one of your posts that state that Jesus Christ was not God! If you do not believe this very FACT, which is the basis for the WHOLE Christian faith, then you are not a Christian! What cult are you a part of? Are you a Jehovah's Witness? If you continue to state that Jesus was not God, then you should not be a part of this Forum! We will take measures against you! If you go through each of those passages above, then you will be effectively PROVEN WRONG. You will see that Jesus was in fact, God Himself! ------------ As for Hebrews 5:9: Here is an explanation on Hebrews 5:9.. "5:8-9 The phrase “learned obedience by the things which He suffered” does not mean that Jesus was ever disobedient but rather that He learned through experience as a Man and through all His temptation and suffering what it meant to suffer and triumph in a way He did not experience before the incarnation. His humanity was in this sense “completed,” which is the meaning of the Greek word translated “perfected” in this context." (Believer's Study Bible) "having been perfected: This phrase does not suggest that Jesus had not been perfect before. It means that He successfully carried out God’s plan for Him. He endured suffering and temptation so that He could truly function as our High Priest, understanding our weaknesses and interceding before God for us. Author means “cause” or “source.” Jesus’ obedience to the Father led to Calvary, His own death on the Cross. The sacrifice of this sinless One in our place makes Him the source of our salvation." (Nelson's Study Bible) "In His divine nature, Christ was already perfect. However, His human nature was perfected through obedience, including suffering in order that He might be an understanding High-Priest, an example for believers (see Heb. 7:25-28; Philippians 2:8; 1 Peter 2:21), and establish the perfect righteousness (Matt. 3:15) to be imputed to believers (2 Cor. 5:21; Phil. 3:8,19)." (The MacArthur Study Bible) From this point on, I will "watch" your every move, Bro. Tom, and tirelessly refute you anywhere and everywhere on the Forum where you state that Jesus Christ was not God Himself. Do you realize what you are saying here? You are denying the very divine nature of the Son of God! To do so is heresy! And I will not let you get away with it! --Nolan |
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2 | Question for you Both? | Bible general Archive 1 | Bro. Tom | 13560 | ||
Nolan, I appreciate your very freindly christian like response let me get one thing straight with you I believe that Jesus was the son of GOD. I also have to say with out Jesus I would not of had the chance to be saved.But, Jesus was not GOD eternal, no where in what you have stated to me thus far comes out and says Jesus was GOD. But, in plenty of areas it talks about his humanity. What I am trying to get across to you is Jesus had his own spirit. Do you believe there is a father and a son. Two! Iam not taking anything away from Jesus or GOD. All I am saying is we can live just like Jesus do you believe that? And, remember what I said GOD made Jesus God! So, I am not really sure what you are accusing me of. I would have to ask you to go back and answer my question's. Instead of sending me question's. I take it you don't believe Jesus had the same flesh you have? I am sorry Nolan we don't see eye to eye on this subject. But, a man that lack understanding let him ask GOD. I will not bother you an further. But, I pray that someone happens to stumble upon our conversation and GOD is able to remove the scales from their eyes! Love from above my brother, Bro. Tom |
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3 | Question for you Both? | Bible general Archive 1 | Makarios | 13583 | ||
Dear Bro. Tom, If you do not believe that Jesus was GOD Himself and without sin, then you are not saved, my friend! Yes, you are "right" in saying that "no where in what you have stated to me thus far comes out and says Jesus was God", but the references in the Bible (the Bible VERSES that I have cited) DO explain this TRUTH- that Jesus was God in every way! The Bible will explain this, not me! Do you have a Bible? If you do not, then look up each Scripture that I have cited previously in the "Get Bible Text" function to the right of the screen. Another thing, Jesus was never "MADE INTO" God! Let me ask you: What is your interpretation of Hebrews 13:8? It says, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday and today and forever!" How do you deal with that in light of your assumptions? You will NEVER be able to convince me of this TRUTH- that Jesus was, in fact, God Himself! And I pray that you will not lead ANY others astray by this false teaching. You are a Muslim. Did you get this out of the Quran? You will not get anywhere here by challenging the essential doctrine of our Faith! What you have done is like this: If a Christian were to write a post to an Islamic Forum and say that Muhammad never received any revelation at all from God. But what you have done is so much more grevious than the example that I have stated here because we hold that Jesus Christ was never "just a prophet" but that He was fully God even while walking upon the earth! Jesus Christ has an 'intimate relationship' with those whom He calls His own, and we cannot stand for anyone to allege that He was not God. In other words, what you have stated are "fighting words"! We cannot let your assumption (that Jesus at some point was not God) go unchallenged. It is OK to ask a question, like "If Jesus was fully God, then why did He have to be "made perfect?" but you cannot jump onto a Christian Forum and assault the very essential of our Faith! This is why I am provoked to respond to you in the way that I have and I have Scripture to back up everything that I say. If you continue to make any other such assertions about Christianity (yourself being a Muslim), then you will only be met with opposition. --Nolan |
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4 | Question for you Both? | Bible general Archive 1 | stpopoola | 13657 | ||
I want to say a big thank you to all who have one way or the other contributed to the question I posted. I want to assure you that I have sent an answer which i believe is based on biblical truth to the muslim who wrote to me with the question. The summary of what I wrote to him is that Jesus came to the earth, truly man and truly God. The Bible says that "...He thought it not robbery to be equal with God" Phil 2:6 Concerning Adam's nature compared with Jesus nature, the bible says, " The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit." These are just a few of the references I used to 'educate' our dear muslim friend trusting that the Lord will open his eyes of understanding so that he might know the truth and be free. Thank you all for your responses, they were really beneficial. |
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