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1 | a list of the prophetic symbols | Rev 17:15 | Searcher56 | 72554 | ||
Scripture ... Rev 16:4-5, 19:6 ... David, I commend your study ... continue to search Scripture. Revelation 17:1, 15 is the only place where the sea or waters (NASB) Hudor (Strong's 5204) where it says it is "peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues". One could say the 19:6 also applies ... but there is mighty thunderings also. My point is that in the other figurative references do not imply "people, nations, multitudes and tongues" fits. Therefore, to say it does is not always correct. Others have tried to say sea/waters mean "people, nations, multitudes and tongues" ... all I need to do is to show one case where what they is is wrong. Now from the NASB ... Rev 16:4-5 "And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of water s; and they became blood. And I heard the angel of the water s say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus." Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many water s, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. When you study, forget all you have read what man has said ... and start afresh, with an Interlinear Bible and lexicon. Then compare what man said to see if what they said is so (Acts 17:11). Searcher |
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2 | a list of the prophetic symbols | Rev 17:15 | David_24597 | 72560 | ||
Rev. 16:3-5 I believe to be a literal account and not symbolic. The seas WILL, IN FACT, be turned to blood. As such the "seas" mentioned here are NOT symbolic. Show me any references to the "sea" where it IS used symbolically and explain to me why it CANNOT mean "peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues". Of course, consider if the meanings are changed if you DO think of the "seas" as "peoples...". Rev. 19:6 actually compares the voices of a multitude with the "great waters". How is it that you don't see the "peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues" here? As for: "When you study, forget all you have read what man has said ... and start afresh". That's exactly what I did. Didn't you read my first post? |
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3 | a list of the prophetic symbols | Rev 17:15 | Searcher56 | 72568 | ||
Scripture ... John 3:5, 4:10-15; Eph 5:26; 1Jo 5:8 ... Let us review ... Rev. 19:6 actually compares the voices of a multitude with the "great waters" AND "mighty thunders" ... so ... does it mean that "mighty thunders" are also a symbol of people? ... how are the "great waters" and "mighty thunders" related? More examples if figurative water: John 3:5 "Jesus answered, 'Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.' Eph 5:26 "That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word" 1Jo 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." If you don't like these (including ones previously cited), read John 4:10-15. Is Jesus talking about literal water? Searcher |
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4 | a list of the prophetic symbols | Rev 17:15 | David_24597 | 72573 | ||
Again, save for John 4:10-15, this "water" they speak of is literal (NOT symbolic). John 4:10-15 is where Jesus talks about the "living water". It's not at all the same thing. Maybe I should be a little more specific. Show me where the "waters" and/or "seas" are used as symbols and do NOT mean "peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues". I've already shown you Rev. 17:15. Where else is this symbol of the seas and/or waters interpreted in the Bible? Again, I'm not talking about the "living" waters. These are the waters that the nations of the earth come up out of and the winds of strife blow upon. |
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