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1 | a list of the prophetic symbols | Rev 17:15 | Searcher56 | 72534 | ||
Scripture ... Dan 7:2; Rev 4:6, 5:13, 7:1-3, 8:8-8, 10:2, 5-6, 8, 12:12, 13:1, 14:7 ... The sea does not always denote peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues. Here are some of the passages: Daniel 7:2 Daniel said: "In my vision at night I looked, and there before me were the four winds of heaven churning up the great sea. (Dan 7:2) Also before the throne there was what looked like a sea of glass, clear as crystal. (Rev 4:6) Then I heard every creature in heaven and on earth and under the earth and on the sea, and all that is in them, singing: "To him who sits on the throne and to the Lamb be praise and honor and glory and power, for ever and ever!" (Rev 5:13) After this I saw four angels standing at the four corners of the earth, holding back the four winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on any tree. Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: "Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." (Rev 7:1-3) The second angel sounded his trumpet, and something like a huge mountain, all ablaze, was thrown into the sea. A third of the sea turned into blood, a third of the living creatures in the sea died, and a third of the ships were destroyed. (Rev 8:8-9) He was holding a little scroll, which lay open in his hand. He planted his right foot on the sea and his left foot on the land, (Rev 10:2) Then the angel I had seen standing on the sea and on the land raised his right hand to heaven. And he swore by him who lives for ever and ever, who created the heavens and all that is in them, the earth and all that is in it, and the sea and all that is in it, and said, "There will be no more delay! (Rev 10:5-6) Then the voice that I had heard from heaven spoke to me once more: "Go, take the scroll that lies open in the hand of the angel who is standing on the sea and on the land." (Rev 10:8) Therefore rejoice, you heavens and you who dwell in them! But woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has gone down to you! He is filled with fury, because he knows that his time is short." (Rev 12:12) And the dragon[ 13:1 Some late manuscripts And I] stood on the shore of the sea (Rev 13:1) He said in a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water." (Rev 14:7) There are more, but I need to go. When you do a study, llok at every instance of the word - in the original. Searcher |
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2 | a list of the prophetic symbols | Rev 17:15 | David_24597 | 72543 | ||
I don't see how any of the instances in these verses you mentioned indicate what the sea is. Nor would these verses be changed in anyway by associating "people, nations, multitudes and tongues" to them. (Save for perhaps Rev. 4:6 the sea of glass - and Rev. 8:8-9; 14:7 and 16:3 which seem to be a literal sea, not symbolic) What else besides Rev. 17:15 describes what the "sea" represents? |
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3 | a list of the prophetic symbols | Rev 17:15 | Searcher56 | 72554 | ||
Scripture ... Rev 16:4-5, 19:6 ... David, I commend your study ... continue to search Scripture. Revelation 17:1, 15 is the only place where the sea or waters (NASB) Hudor (Strong's 5204) where it says it is "peoples and multitudes and nations and tongues". One could say the 19:6 also applies ... but there is mighty thunderings also. My point is that in the other figurative references do not imply "people, nations, multitudes and tongues" fits. Therefore, to say it does is not always correct. Others have tried to say sea/waters mean "people, nations, multitudes and tongues" ... all I need to do is to show one case where what they is is wrong. Now from the NASB ... Rev 16:4-5 "And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of water s; and they became blood. And I heard the angel of the water s say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus." Rev 19:6 And I heard as it were the voice of a great multitude, and as the voice of many water s, and as the voice of mighty thunderings, saying, Alleluia: for the Lord God omnipotent reigneth. When you study, forget all you have read what man has said ... and start afresh, with an Interlinear Bible and lexicon. Then compare what man said to see if what they said is so (Acts 17:11). Searcher |
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4 | a list of the prophetic symbols | Rev 17:15 | David_24597 | 72560 | ||
Rev. 16:3-5 I believe to be a literal account and not symbolic. The seas WILL, IN FACT, be turned to blood. As such the "seas" mentioned here are NOT symbolic. Show me any references to the "sea" where it IS used symbolically and explain to me why it CANNOT mean "peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues". Of course, consider if the meanings are changed if you DO think of the "seas" as "peoples...". Rev. 19:6 actually compares the voices of a multitude with the "great waters". How is it that you don't see the "peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues" here? As for: "When you study, forget all you have read what man has said ... and start afresh". That's exactly what I did. Didn't you read my first post? |
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5 | a list of the prophetic symbols | Rev 17:15 | Searcher56 | 72568 | ||
Scripture ... John 3:5, 4:10-15; Eph 5:26; 1Jo 5:8 ... Let us review ... Rev. 19:6 actually compares the voices of a multitude with the "great waters" AND "mighty thunders" ... so ... does it mean that "mighty thunders" are also a symbol of people? ... how are the "great waters" and "mighty thunders" related? More examples if figurative water: John 3:5 "Jesus answered, 'Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.' Eph 5:26 "That he might sanctify and cleanse it with the washing of water by the word" 1Jo 5:8 "And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one." If you don't like these (including ones previously cited), read John 4:10-15. Is Jesus talking about literal water? Searcher |
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6 | a list of the prophetic symbols | Rev 17:15 | David_24597 | 72573 | ||
Again, save for John 4:10-15, this "water" they speak of is literal (NOT symbolic). John 4:10-15 is where Jesus talks about the "living water". It's not at all the same thing. Maybe I should be a little more specific. Show me where the "waters" and/or "seas" are used as symbols and do NOT mean "peoples, nations, multitudes and tongues". I've already shown you Rev. 17:15. Where else is this symbol of the seas and/or waters interpreted in the Bible? Again, I'm not talking about the "living" waters. These are the waters that the nations of the earth come up out of and the winds of strife blow upon. |
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