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1 | Please explain Revelation 14:12 ? | Rev 14:1 | Radioman2 | 84212 | ||
"There is no textual basis to support those who claim that the 144,000 are any entity other than physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. To spiritualize the 144,000 into a Christian group violates the plain sense of the text." - - - - - - - - - - - - - Norrie: In reference to Revelation 7:4-8, you write: 'Are they spiritual Jews which keep the Law of God (which is spiritual) (see the reference to the 144,000 being from every tribe of Israel--Revelation 7:1-10)? i.e., the 144,000 represent the Christian church at the end of time, since they believe in Christ, which is made up of both Jews and Gentiles.' Consider the following. 'Revelation 7:4-8 And I heard the number of those who were sealed, (2) one hundred and forty-four thousand sealed from every tribe of the sons of Israel: from Judah, twelve thousand were sealed, from the tribe of Reuben… Gad… Asher… Naphtali… Manasseh… Simeon… Levi… Issachar… Zebulun… Joseph… Benjamin, twelve thousand were sealed. '2. One hundred and forty-four thousand - this number has received great consideration. Speculations abound. It is sad that commentators do not take this number literally. To denominate the number by 12,000 adds to the literal nature of this figure. We are not told why 12, 000 are chosen, but that twelve thousand are chosen is clear. 'There is no textual basis to support those who claim that the 144,000 are any entity other than physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. To spiritualize the 144,000 into a Christian group violates the plain sense of the text. John gives the reader every detail necessary to correctly identify this group. The critical phrase "from every tribe of the sons of Israel" should settle any debate about their identity. This phrase always refers to physical descendants of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Out of six hundred and thirty-five occurrences of this phrase throughout the Scriptures, Revelation 7:4 would be the only exception. There is no compelling reason to spiritualize away the literal sense. Every tribe of the sons of Israel has solid biblical support as a referent of Jews only.' (www.revelationcommentary.org/07_chapter.html) |
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2 | Please explain Revelation 14:12 ? | Rev 14:1 | Norrie | 84257 | ||
Her reply part 2: If you are a Christian and had not known that the seventh day of the week is actually the seventh-day of the week and not the first day, God will not hold you accountable for that lack of knowledge if you had no opportunity to know it. Today, God has given the Sabbath truth to Christians, but most of them say, no it is Jewish, it ended at the cross, Christ kept it and then destroyed it at His cross, so it is not part of the New Covenant for Christians. Is that really so? Matthew 5:17-19 indicates the opposite. He did away with the Levitical ceremonies at the cross, but not His Law summed up in the Ten Principles of the Ten Commandments. If that is so, then there is no sin, for there is no law. And you can do as you please and still gain heaven. We have the law of love now. All you need to do is love one another. The Gentiles do that, brothers and sisters! There are those Christians who say that the Holy Spirit was not available until Pentecost. But Christ was led of the Spirit and so were the prophets of old. Moses had wished that all of could be prophets.... I wonder if he was frustrated or what. David prayed that the Holy Spirit would not be taken from him, but would be restored to him, when he realized his great sin against God. But now, the saying is, that The Old Testament itself is done away with, that all we need is the New Testament, or else, no, all you need is the Holy Spirit, and it supercedes the Bible today. That is like saying, if you believe the Bible and follow it, you are not receiving the Spirit of God. Now how can that be? You all are confusing me very much as to what you all believe. I am not claiming to know more than the rest of you, you all seem to be pretty intelligent as far as that goes. :) But I am praying for you all and hope that you intelligently see what I see. And I am sorry that I have gotten carried away this time. God knows the reason why I have done this. Blessings to you, Shelley |
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