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1 | Does Islam fit here? | 2 John 1:7 | DocTrinsograce | 129197 | ||
Regarding your third point: When did I ever say that the reformation was about putting Bibles into the hands of the people? Brother Ed, if you are going to dispute with me, please dispute with what I actually say. This way, when I'm wrong, I have a chance to retract my statements! Mistating my position is close kin to the straw man fallacy, but worse! That said, let me state what the purpose of the reformation actually was... then you argue with an accurate expression of my position. The purpose of the Reformation was to bring the doctrines of the Church back into agreement (that's why we use the word "Reformed") with the truths written in the law of Holy Canon. I can't believe that you would write off men like Martin Luther as mere pawns! Sure there was political intrigue and sure religion was used as an excuse for a lot of excesses. That's been true since Cain and Able! Sir, I do not mean to demean Catholic TV and TBN, but if this is the sole source of your perspectives on the Reformation, you'll be excited to know that you can actually read what a lot of those pawns with religious convictions actually had to say. You can read their debates. You can read their discussions of scripture and of their deep love for a God Who saved wretched men through no merit of their own. Getting it from the "horses mouth" so to speak is better than depending on these second-hand, pre-digested sources. Remember that "evil communications corrupt good manners." That doesn't mean you have to agree with them. But your understanding of church history will grow and, I think, benefit your understanding of God's washing of Christ's bride through the centuries. I even read St. Francis, Brother Lawrence, and other Catholics. I don't agree with them on everything, but I certainly find men who dearly loved the Lord. I'm a five pointer, but I still see the devotion and godliness of John Wesley. If you spend some time doing this, brother, I think you will be pleased to discover that we had faithful bretheren way back then. They didn't look like us, and they didn't sound like us, but they were there, walking with the Lord. May God be pleased to grant us grace that we might be found so faithful! |
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2 | Does Islam fit here? | 2 John 1:7 | EdB | 129211 | ||
Doc you said, “Ecumenism that teaches the worship of unity even at the cost of truth. That would put us back under the authority of priests and popes, with no apology or consideration of the hundreds of thousands who were killed and tortured for trying to put Bibles in the hands of common people.” While you did not mention the Reformation, from this description I think it was a fair assumption. However it was just that, an assumption, and if that isn't what you were referring to, I apologize. I did not write off Luther as a mere pawn I said he became a pawn of the power brokers of the time. The Reformation was about who was going to rule Roman or the autocracy. I hope your not saying the peasants were better off under serfdom. TV of any kind is not my perspective of Reformation, however having studied the Reformation for many years my perspective of what people perceive the Reformation to have been has changed as of late. I never realized the false information that is held by the general Protestant church in reference to the Reformation. Nor did I ever say you will never hear lousy theology on Catholic or any TV for that matter. In fact I would be surprised if the Catholic church didn’t have as many people talking through their hats as does the Protestant church. I will agree there are men on both sides of this issue that have a true and genuine love for the Lord. |
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