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1 | How can God let us go through pain? | 1 Pet 2:24 | heisthe1 | 43137 | ||
Emmaus I don't believe in the suffering doctrine that you are refering to! Lets take a look at just what the "suffering doctrine" is about: The suffering doctrine has these basic suppositions: Since suffering happens and since God runs and controls everything--then suffering is either authored by God or allowed by God. If God authors or allows suffering it must be: . as the punishment (loving correction, discipline of His children, . so that He can have opportunities to demostrate His faithfulness to us in hard times, . so we in turn can demonstrate our trust in Him is spite of adverse circumstances or . to test our free will and make a way for us to grow spiritually. If God is NOT the author of the suffering then He still allows it as a natural result of our tenure in "the devil's world" where he is its author. Therefor, if we suffer, it must be Gods will that we suffer and: . We should be content with the assurance that God (through His GRACE) will help us get through it. . We should be content with the assurance that God will NEVER ask us to bear any burden which we are unable to bear (even if it KILLS us). . We should be content with the assurance that our suffering WILL end when we DIE (As opposed to the unbeliever whose suffering will never end) This doctrine--as doctrines go--SOUNDS very "religious," lofty, perhaps even pious. But I contend that it falls into a "unique" category of doctrines- "the doctrines of demons." The subtle danger of this doctrine is twofold First is places the believer in a state of non-resistance to the Devil and his darkness, and second, it places the blame (whether called that or not) (directly or indirectly) on God. The fruits of this teaching have been-among others: . pemature death . unnecessary suffering . the belief that God has dropped, left, abandoned of forsaken the person. . loss of faith . living in hypocrisy, (ie., believing a sickness is God's will, yet seeking to be rid of it medically). The primary error of the teaching-is in the primary supposition itself! The supposition that God is running, controlling everything-which is simply not true. God the Father is on His throne in Heaven, Jesus is seated there at His right hand and the Holy Spirit is here with us on earth. The functions of the Holy Spirit are, among others, that of comforter, counselor, teacher, reminder, spokesman, provider of power and giver of divine gifts. The Father and Jesus have ALREADY done- All they are going to do until Jesus returns and gathers His saints. The Father-sent his only begotten Son-to redeem us from the curse of the law. And, the Father-sowed His singular seed (Jesus) into the earth for the express purpose of producing and harvesting an abundant crop of sons of God! Sons that look like, act like and talk like Jesus! Jesus-came here, lived a sinless life, destroyed the works of the Devil wherever he found them and produced good works in their place. He taught and trained students to teach others to be-just like Him. He voluntarily and systematically took upon His own body the full curse of EVERY sin, sickness, disease, dysfunction, perversion and pain, paying the FULL and FINAL penalty FOR us. He did this by taking it upon his body-carrying it all to the cross of Calvary where He became the Atonement for us, by shedding His own blood and dying FOR us, and thereby redeeming us from the curse of the law. Then according to plan, He was buried, and after three days, having defeated the Devil, the Father resurrected Him from the dead. After this HE gave His followers last minute instructions. First to go and wait for the pouring out of the Holy Spirit and second, told them that once they received the Holy Spirit and power, to go into all nation-teaching, preaching, healing-and baptizing those that believe. Then He told them that those that did believe, and were baptized, would-speak in tongues, not be hurt by deadly things, cast out demons in Jesus' name and heal by the laying on of their hands-just as the other followers of Jesus did. Jesus set up an ongoing system to train and equip believers-to continue to: act as Jesus did, say what Jesus said and do what Jesus did. The Father sent the Holy Spirit with the same power and the same gifts that He had provided for Jesus in the earth. Jesus after His resurrection, proclaimed-"ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME!" And then turned around and said that we were to have the same dominion and authority-by the power of attorney-of His Name! The Name of Jesus! What I am saying-is that God the Father delegated running of things here on earth-to Jesus! And that Jesus delegated running of things here on earth-TO US! So, who is supposed to be running things here on Earth? WE ARE! How about that thorn in Paul's side?!! Thanks for your response, God Bless |
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2 | How can God let us go through pain? | 1 Pet 2:24 | Reformer Joe | 43405 | ||
You wrote: "What I am saying-is that God the Father delegated running of things here on earth-to Jesus! And that Jesus delegated running of things here on earth-TO US! So, who is supposed to be running things here on Earth? WE ARE!" And this is the blasphemous result of getting God all wrong. We suddenly become "little Jesuses" who are no different at all from the Son of God. We are Christ's ambassadors, his empowered representatives. However, Christ is still the ACTING head of the church (Ephesians 1:25, 5:23; Colossians 1:18): "Let no one keep defrauding you of your prize by delighting in self-abasement and the worship of the angels, taking his stand on visions he has seen, inflated without cause by his fleshly mind, and not holding fast to the head, from whom the entire body, being supplied and held together by the joints and ligaments, grows with a growth which is from God." --Colossians 2:18-19 Listen, I know from your profile that you claim to have been a Christian for less than two years. Do you really think that in such a short time you have mastered the truth regarding God, that you have it all figured out? I have been a Christian for two decades, and after years and years of study I still have so much to learn about God. However, I do know from what I have been taught through the BIBLE is that suffering is not a mistake, it is not something beyond the control of a weak and impotent God, and that it is something that the apostles rejoiced in and we are commanded to endure. You may close your Bible, lock it up in a safe, cover your ears, close your eyes, and repeat, "I do not believe in the 'suffering doctrine'" all that you like. It will not change for one second what the TRUTH about God is, and the God you are claiming to worship is NOT the true and living God as revealed in the Scriptures. What you are guilty of is idolatry, and do not think for one moment that God will not hold you accountable for rejecting His revelation in favor of a made-up "God." --Joe! |
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3 | How can God let us go through pain? | 1 Pet 2:24 | Hank | 43410 | ||
Excellent series of posts, Joe, in which you allowed the Bible to speak its eternal truth plainly and forcefully about the nature of the sovereign and transcendent God. Having been a Christian for more than five decades, I have seen not only the brands of error being dispensed by electronic media charlatans of our day -- the Brother Bennies and the Sister Joyces -- but I have also seen the seen error, by a different name perhaps but error just the same, being promulgated in a by-gone time in tent meetings and sawdust revivals. We called them the Elmer Gantrys back then. It is painfully obvious to me that the thirst for a feel-good, non-biblical burlesque version of pseudo-Christianity that existed five decades ago exists still. The itching ears of yesteryear that gave audience to false teaching continue to itch still. The need to preach the word was a crying need then and is a crying need still. Joe, the things you have said in this series of posts may fall into disfavor and be called merely your spin or opinion, or your faulty interpretation or your own pet doctrine that somehow is viewed as being under the private ownership of apologistics such as we whose aim it is to direct the searchlight of the truth of God's word to expose the error of man's opinion. In this endeavor I consider this series of your posts a noteworthy monument. --Hank | ||||||
4 | How can God let us go through pain? | 1 Pet 2:24 | Hank | 43412 | ||
Lest somone may not understand my meaning in the previous post, _apologistics_ should read _apologists_ and for that error I apologize. --Hank | ||||||