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1 | How can God let us go through pain? | 1 Pet 2:24 | heisthe1 | 43137 | ||
Emmaus I don't believe in the suffering doctrine that you are refering to! Lets take a look at just what the "suffering doctrine" is about: The suffering doctrine has these basic suppositions: Since suffering happens and since God runs and controls everything--then suffering is either authored by God or allowed by God. If God authors or allows suffering it must be: . as the punishment (loving correction, discipline of His children, . so that He can have opportunities to demostrate His faithfulness to us in hard times, . so we in turn can demonstrate our trust in Him is spite of adverse circumstances or . to test our free will and make a way for us to grow spiritually. If God is NOT the author of the suffering then He still allows it as a natural result of our tenure in "the devil's world" where he is its author. Therefor, if we suffer, it must be Gods will that we suffer and: . We should be content with the assurance that God (through His GRACE) will help us get through it. . We should be content with the assurance that God will NEVER ask us to bear any burden which we are unable to bear (even if it KILLS us). . We should be content with the assurance that our suffering WILL end when we DIE (As opposed to the unbeliever whose suffering will never end) This doctrine--as doctrines go--SOUNDS very "religious," lofty, perhaps even pious. But I contend that it falls into a "unique" category of doctrines- "the doctrines of demons." The subtle danger of this doctrine is twofold First is places the believer in a state of non-resistance to the Devil and his darkness, and second, it places the blame (whether called that or not) (directly or indirectly) on God. The fruits of this teaching have been-among others: . pemature death . unnecessary suffering . the belief that God has dropped, left, abandoned of forsaken the person. . loss of faith . living in hypocrisy, (ie., believing a sickness is God's will, yet seeking to be rid of it medically). The primary error of the teaching-is in the primary supposition itself! The supposition that God is running, controlling everything-which is simply not true. God the Father is on His throne in Heaven, Jesus is seated there at His right hand and the Holy Spirit is here with us on earth. The functions of the Holy Spirit are, among others, that of comforter, counselor, teacher, reminder, spokesman, provider of power and giver of divine gifts. The Father and Jesus have ALREADY done- All they are going to do until Jesus returns and gathers His saints. The Father-sent his only begotten Son-to redeem us from the curse of the law. And, the Father-sowed His singular seed (Jesus) into the earth for the express purpose of producing and harvesting an abundant crop of sons of God! Sons that look like, act like and talk like Jesus! Jesus-came here, lived a sinless life, destroyed the works of the Devil wherever he found them and produced good works in their place. He taught and trained students to teach others to be-just like Him. He voluntarily and systematically took upon His own body the full curse of EVERY sin, sickness, disease, dysfunction, perversion and pain, paying the FULL and FINAL penalty FOR us. He did this by taking it upon his body-carrying it all to the cross of Calvary where He became the Atonement for us, by shedding His own blood and dying FOR us, and thereby redeeming us from the curse of the law. Then according to plan, He was buried, and after three days, having defeated the Devil, the Father resurrected Him from the dead. After this HE gave His followers last minute instructions. First to go and wait for the pouring out of the Holy Spirit and second, told them that once they received the Holy Spirit and power, to go into all nation-teaching, preaching, healing-and baptizing those that believe. Then He told them that those that did believe, and were baptized, would-speak in tongues, not be hurt by deadly things, cast out demons in Jesus' name and heal by the laying on of their hands-just as the other followers of Jesus did. Jesus set up an ongoing system to train and equip believers-to continue to: act as Jesus did, say what Jesus said and do what Jesus did. The Father sent the Holy Spirit with the same power and the same gifts that He had provided for Jesus in the earth. Jesus after His resurrection, proclaimed-"ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME!" And then turned around and said that we were to have the same dominion and authority-by the power of attorney-of His Name! The Name of Jesus! What I am saying-is that God the Father delegated running of things here on earth-to Jesus! And that Jesus delegated running of things here on earth-TO US! So, who is supposed to be running things here on Earth? WE ARE! How about that thorn in Paul's side?!! Thanks for your response, God Bless |
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2 | How can God let us go through pain? | 1 Pet 2:24 | Reformer Joe | 43404 | ||
Now let's see just how wrong you are about the nature of God Himself. It is so true that our knowledge of the true God affects how we live our lives and worship him, so let's see if you have that right. You wrote: "The primary error of the teaching-is in the primary supposition itself! The supposition that God is running, controlling everything-which is simply not true." Hmmm...denial of God's sovereignty. Big error number one in your understanding of God. The BIBLE says: "But our God is in the heavens; He does whatever He pleases." --Psalm 115:3 " The steps of a man are established by the LORD, And He delights in his way." --Psalm 37:23 "The mind of man plans his way, But the LORD directs his steps." --Proverbs 16:9 "Man's steps are ordained by the LORD, How then can man understand his way?" --Proverbs 20:24 "I know, O LORD, that a man's way is not in himself, Nor is it in a man who walks to direct his steps." --Jeremiah 10:9 "Are not two sparrows sold for a cent? And yet not one of them will fall to the ground apart from your Father." --Matthew 10:29 "for in Him we live and move and exist, as even some of your own poets have said, 'For we also are His children.'" --Acts 17:28 God is sovereign over every detail of existence. You are worshiping a false God if you say He is not. You wrote: "God the Father is on His throne in Heaven, Jesus is seated there at His right hand and the Holy Spirit is here with us on earth." The BIBLE says that God is omnipresent. No person of the Trinity is confined to time and space. "Where can I go from Your Spirit? Or where can I flee from Your presence? If I ascend to heaven, You are there; If I make my bed in Sheol, behold, You are there. If I take the wings of the dawn, If I dwell in the remotest part of the sea, Even there Your hand will lead me, And Your right hand will lay hold of me." --Psalm 139:7-10 To deny the omnipresence of God is to deny the God of the Bible. You wrote: "The Father and Jesus have ALREADY done- All they are going to do until Jesus returns and gathers His saints." What blasphemy! Let's look at the BIBLE. Is the Father doing nothing? Then Paul's prayer is in vain: "For this reason I too, having heard of the faith in the Lord Jesus which exists among you and your love for all the saints, do not cease giving thanks for you, while making mention of you in my prayers; that the God of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of glory, may give to you a spirit of wisdom and of revelation in the knowledge of Him." --Ephesians 1:15-17 We already saw in Acts 17 how God holds all things together, but let's see what else the BIBLE says: "yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom are all things and we exist for Him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we exist through Him." --1 Cor 8:6 Speaking of Christ, "He is before all things, and in Him all things hold together." --Colossians 1:17 The Holy Spirit has His own role within the Godhead, but to say that the Father and the Son are just sitting back, removed from everything, is to deny the words of Scripture. You wrote: "The Father sent the Holy Spirit with the same power and the same gifts that He had provided for Jesus in the earth. Jesus after His resurrection, proclaimed-"ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME!" And then turned around and said that we were to have the same dominion and authority-by the power of attorney-of His Name! The Name of Jesus!" Show me from the BIBLE that all Christians have the same authority that Christ has. It is simply made-up nonsense. --Joe! |
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