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1 | How can God let us go through pain? | 1 Pet 2:24 | heisthe1 | 43137 | ||
Emmaus I don't believe in the suffering doctrine that you are refering to! Lets take a look at just what the "suffering doctrine" is about: The suffering doctrine has these basic suppositions: Since suffering happens and since God runs and controls everything--then suffering is either authored by God or allowed by God. If God authors or allows suffering it must be: . as the punishment (loving correction, discipline of His children, . so that He can have opportunities to demostrate His faithfulness to us in hard times, . so we in turn can demonstrate our trust in Him is spite of adverse circumstances or . to test our free will and make a way for us to grow spiritually. If God is NOT the author of the suffering then He still allows it as a natural result of our tenure in "the devil's world" where he is its author. Therefor, if we suffer, it must be Gods will that we suffer and: . We should be content with the assurance that God (through His GRACE) will help us get through it. . We should be content with the assurance that God will NEVER ask us to bear any burden which we are unable to bear (even if it KILLS us). . We should be content with the assurance that our suffering WILL end when we DIE (As opposed to the unbeliever whose suffering will never end) This doctrine--as doctrines go--SOUNDS very "religious," lofty, perhaps even pious. But I contend that it falls into a "unique" category of doctrines- "the doctrines of demons." The subtle danger of this doctrine is twofold First is places the believer in a state of non-resistance to the Devil and his darkness, and second, it places the blame (whether called that or not) (directly or indirectly) on God. The fruits of this teaching have been-among others: . pemature death . unnecessary suffering . the belief that God has dropped, left, abandoned of forsaken the person. . loss of faith . living in hypocrisy, (ie., believing a sickness is God's will, yet seeking to be rid of it medically). The primary error of the teaching-is in the primary supposition itself! The supposition that God is running, controlling everything-which is simply not true. God the Father is on His throne in Heaven, Jesus is seated there at His right hand and the Holy Spirit is here with us on earth. The functions of the Holy Spirit are, among others, that of comforter, counselor, teacher, reminder, spokesman, provider of power and giver of divine gifts. The Father and Jesus have ALREADY done- All they are going to do until Jesus returns and gathers His saints. The Father-sent his only begotten Son-to redeem us from the curse of the law. And, the Father-sowed His singular seed (Jesus) into the earth for the express purpose of producing and harvesting an abundant crop of sons of God! Sons that look like, act like and talk like Jesus! Jesus-came here, lived a sinless life, destroyed the works of the Devil wherever he found them and produced good works in their place. He taught and trained students to teach others to be-just like Him. He voluntarily and systematically took upon His own body the full curse of EVERY sin, sickness, disease, dysfunction, perversion and pain, paying the FULL and FINAL penalty FOR us. He did this by taking it upon his body-carrying it all to the cross of Calvary where He became the Atonement for us, by shedding His own blood and dying FOR us, and thereby redeeming us from the curse of the law. Then according to plan, He was buried, and after three days, having defeated the Devil, the Father resurrected Him from the dead. After this HE gave His followers last minute instructions. First to go and wait for the pouring out of the Holy Spirit and second, told them that once they received the Holy Spirit and power, to go into all nation-teaching, preaching, healing-and baptizing those that believe. Then He told them that those that did believe, and were baptized, would-speak in tongues, not be hurt by deadly things, cast out demons in Jesus' name and heal by the laying on of their hands-just as the other followers of Jesus did. Jesus set up an ongoing system to train and equip believers-to continue to: act as Jesus did, say what Jesus said and do what Jesus did. The Father sent the Holy Spirit with the same power and the same gifts that He had provided for Jesus in the earth. Jesus after His resurrection, proclaimed-"ALL AUTHORITY HAS BEEN GIVEN TO ME!" And then turned around and said that we were to have the same dominion and authority-by the power of attorney-of His Name! The Name of Jesus! What I am saying-is that God the Father delegated running of things here on earth-to Jesus! And that Jesus delegated running of things here on earth-TO US! So, who is supposed to be running things here on Earth? WE ARE! How about that thorn in Paul's side?!! Thanks for your response, God Bless |
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2 | How can God let us go through pain? | 1 Pet 2:24 | kalos | 43244 | ||
Far from removing suffering, our salvation guarantees it. (The following quotes part of an article from www.gty.org This article was condensed due to space limitations - a limit on the number of characters per posting.) Why does God allow His children to experience troubles and how should I respond to them? God’s Word provides us with two reasons God’s children continue to face suffering after salvation. First, though delivered from the dominion of sin, Christians still experience the effects of sin. The reality of suffering endures in a world tainted by sin. Even believers experience pain, disease, aging, and death, and we often fall victim to accidents or sinful acts of others. Those things are the common lot of all, and they all have a connection to sin. But there is another reason believers suffer: we are one with Christ. In that union, God gave us the privilege of participating in the same kind of suffering Jesus endured—suffering for doing what is right. To the degree that you share the sufferings of Christ, keep on rejoicing, so that also at the revelation of His glory you may rejoice with exultation. If you are reviled for the name of Christ, you are blessed, because the Spirit of glory and of God rests on you. (1 Peter 4:13-14; cf. Romans 8:18) Suffering for righteousness sake is part of normal Christian living. Far from removing suffering, our salvation guarantees it. Scripture, in fact, tells us to expect trials: Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal among you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though some strange thing were happening to you. (1 Peter 4:12) Thankfully, along with the promise of suffering, God promises us His presence and a lasting reward. And because of those precious truths, you can respond with hope—in complete contrast to the despairing outlook that plagues the unbeliever. We’ve complied a list of principles that will help you respond properly when trials come. A right response will prove the genuineness of your faith and give you opportunity to put God’s grace on display. (...) How should you respond to God’s chastening? With thankful submission that recognizes your loving heavenly Father is at work in you.Resolve not to despise or be discouraged by that work (Hebrews 12:5).God is pruning your life to make you more effective and fruitful. Jesus said, “Every branch in Me that does not bear fruit He takes away; and every branch that bears fruit He prunes, that it may bear more fruit” (John 15:2). God knows what you need and can handle, and He brings trials to prove your faith and display it to those around you. He has graciously chosen you to stand as an example of the power of His grace. His grace is “sufficient for you, for power is perfected in weakness” (2 Corinthians 12:9). In a world without hope, without peace, fearing death, and living in complete emptiness, your perseverance in trials is testimony that God is alive and gloriously at work. Persevering in the midst of intense suffering provides a testimony of true hope to a world without hope.No matter the intensity of the trial you are facing, you always have the hope of heaven to cheer you. As one who believes in God and trusts His Word, treasure the truth that suffering and death are not worthy of comparison with the wondrous glory of knowing Christ. Paul affirmed that when he wrote, “For I consider that the sufferings of this present time are not worthy to be compared with the glory which shall be revealed in us” (Romans 8:18). So, if you are going through a trial, pray that your spiritual condition will be gloriously evident to all around as you exemplify true joy in it (James 1:2-4, 12). (www.gty.org/IssuesandAnswers/archive/sufferings.htm) |
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