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1 | Holy Spirit and the nature of God? | Heb 1:2 | Ray | 8001 | ||
Hi Hiram Abiff, I appreciate your answer to my question on Heb 2:6. You believe in the God/man as stated here. In your interpretation of Heb 2:6 you stated that some of the reference referred to the Son of *man. You also spoke of Jesus being the Son of *Man. The problem with your beliefs as stated in the paragraph above is the fact that we can only have one father. Jesus especially can only have one Father because of His nature; His father is not the devil as is man's. You can't have a Son of man. In other words, you can not have a historical Jesus of the atheist who thinks of Him as Joseph's son. (Or at best think of Him as the Son of man.) I don't believe you can have a Son of man and a Son of Man. God is God, He is not a god. If a person is thought of highly in scriptures he can be regarded as a son of man but not a Son of man. A man does not father Deity. But when you know Jesus as God (and as Spirit now that He is glorified), then you can know Him as Man; as God in the flesh, and not "just a man". If you know Him as Spirit, and God is Spirit, then you can see Him as the Son of Joseph, the Son of David, the Son of Abraham. Then we can worship Him in spirit and truth. I believe in the God/Man; He/who is called Christ; when that One comes, (He) will declare all things to us. John 4:25 (parenthesis mine) |
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2 | Holy Spirit and the nature of God? | Heb 1:2 | Hiram Abiff | 8010 | ||
Ray, Apparently I was mistaken about Heb. 2:6. The capitalization you pointed out seems to indicate humans without divinity are being referred to in both parts. I base this on KJV and ASV. I am clueless about the NASB as I have never studied it and do not know its punctuation (capitalization) scheme. NASB HEB 2:6 But one has testified somewhere, saying, "WHAT IS MAN, THAT YOU REMEMBER HIM? OR THE SON OF MAN, THAT YOU ARE CONCERNED ABOUT HIM? ASV HEB 2:6 But one hath somewhere testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? Or the son of man, that thou visitest him? KJV HEB 2:6 But one in a certain place testified, saying, What is man, that thou art mindful of him? or the son of man, that thou visitest him? If this is true your question is not addressed in this scripture. “We can only have one father” We have one human father and one heavenly Father. “Jesus especially can have one Father because of His nature.” I don’t know where you got the impression that I believe Jesus had more than one Father. I believe Jesus had one Father and no father. “In other words, you can not have a historical Jesus of the atheist who thinks of Him as Joseph's son. (Or at best think of Him as the Son of man.) I don't believe you can have a Son of man and a Son of Man.” My statement pertained to an atheist’s concept of Jesus. I do not believe there was a bodily Jesus and separate spiritual Jesus walking the earth together (if I’m reading your opinion of my view correctly), that would be ludicrous. The Readers Digest Condensed version of my view. Jesus was conceived by God and Mary by Immaculate Conception. God miraculously impregnated Mary. No man’s sperm was involved, neither Joseph’s nor anybody else’s. Jesus was both man and God at the same time in one body. When Jesus ascended into heaven it was as a spirit being (God), where He resides today. Let me phrase the question differently again; is a correct view of the makeup of the Godhead (in heaven at this present time) necessary for salvation? |
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3 | Holy Spirit and the nature of God? | Heb 1:2 | Hiram Abiff | 8014 | ||
Ray, I think that we are discussing two different issues on the same thread. Can we discuss my question about the makeup of the Godhead on this thread and your question on the other thread? If I don’t compartmentalize these I may get confused and start debating myself as well as you. | ||||||