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1 | Quality of faith | Heb 11:7 | terrib | 152679 | ||
(Hebrews 11:7 KJV) By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith. Does this mean that he will be judged by the quality of his faith? |
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2 | Quality of faith | Heb 11:7 | DocTrinsograce | 152686 | ||
Hi, Terrib... No, Noah will not be judged by the quality of his faith... rather he has already been judged righteous through faith in Christ, just as Abraham and others. Justification is by grace alone through faith alone because of Christ alone. In Him, Doc |
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3 | Quality of faith | Heb 11:7 | terrib | 152689 | ||
Hi Doc, Did Noah have faith in Jesus Christ? Scripture please. terrib |
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4 | Quality of faith | Heb 11:7 | DocTrinsograce | 152693 | ||
Hi, Terrib... Paul goes through a very careful argument in Romans 4 that Abraham was saved the same way we are saved. I have to admit that this is more particularly a Reformed Baptist doctrine. We are not as strongly covenantal as our Presbyterian brethren. Nor are we as strongly dispensational as, say, Plymouth Brethren or even other Baptists. Excuse me if I make some comments without looking up the particular verses. Having seen your posts on the forum for a while, I know that you will be able to pinpoint them yourself if you choose. Scripture states clearly that Christ is the only means of salvation. (We've discussed that in the forum before.) The Bible is very particular to state that Christ was "the lamb slain from the foundations of the world." As stated above, Paul takes pains to describe how Abraham was saved. Consequently, we affirm that the sins of the elect (from Adam onward, even on into the future) are atoned for at that one crucial point in history. I believe I called it a "fulcrum in time" in a recent post. I like what Loraine Boettner said, "We are creatures of time, and often fail to take into consideration the fact that God is not limited as we are. That which appears to us as past, present, and future, is all present to His mind." You see, we live -- and probably always will live -- within the context of time. God does not. In fact, from Genesis 3:15 onward all of history is about one thing to our God: the restoration of creation from the fall. I'm going to go back to dealing with S. W. But in the mean time, I hope this explains my thinking. I hope my poor powers of explanation haven't gotten in the way! If you can think of some holes in this thinking, I'll be happy to try to address them. In Him, Doc |
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5 | Quality of faith | Heb 11:7 | terrib | 152707 | ||
Hi Doc, We are aware that Christ is hidden in to OT, for Paul says that these things are written for us. The point I am making is that in the time of Noah was he aware of Christ or was he aware of the God (yeh-ho-vaw) only? And this is actually a foreknowledge statement: "the lamb slain from the foundations of the world." For God knew that Jesus would be slain. The holes in your thinking is that you are looking at Noah with the knowledge that you have today. According to Rom 4 the promise was to have a child and Abraham believed God and that faith was imputed to him for righteousness. Rom 4:19 And being not weak in faith, he considered not his own body now dead, when he was about an hundred years old, neither yet the deadness of Sara's womb: Rom 4:20 He staggered not at the promise of God through unbelief; but was strong in faith, giving glory to God; Rom 4:21 And being fully persuaded that, what he had promised, he was able also to perform. Rom 4:22 And therefore it was imputed to him for righteousness. Again salvation through faith in God the Father (not Jesus) else Paul would have stated that. The Scriptures do not say that Abraham knew about Jesus. Yet his faith was unto righteousness. I am trying to look through Noah's and Abraham's eyes. See what they saw during their time and what they knew at that time. Not what we know today. For today we hear thunder and think it is just a storm...or is it? Our times today are so filled with things and things and we know what causes the rainbow, but back then seeing a rainbow was an honour a privilage and one would most likely fall on the knees and give thanks for the promise. Do we do that today? So, I try to put myself into the times of the one being written about. terrib |
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6 | Quality of faith | Heb 11:7 | DocTrinsograce | 152709 | ||
Dear Terrib, Note that I did not write anything about what Noah or Abraham knew or did not know. Indeed, I was not trying to "get into their heads" at all. The elect do not find merit in God's eyes due to anything they do, say, or think. Scripture is clear in affirming that the elect are beneficiaries of God's grace -- His unmerited favor (cf. Romans 11:5, 2 Timothy 1:9, 1 Peter 5:10, and elsewhere). So it was with Noah (Genesis 6:8) and so it was with Abraham (Nehemiah 9:7). So, the question -- a purely theological question -- is this: How are the elect who lived before the atonement of Christ saved? Christ declares, "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me." (John 6:45) Referring to the prophecies of Isaiah 54:13, Jeremiah 31:34, and Micah 4:2, our Lord also says, "It is written in the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me." (John 6:45) Remember that Christ was the fulfillment, denouement, and perfection of everything in the Old Testament. "Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil." (Matthew 5:17) But also remember that salvation can only be accomplished through the means that God has provided. "Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." (Acts 4:12) Consequently, if anyone is saved by any means, it will be through Christ's atonement alone. Note that the sense of what I have said is also expressed in Hebrews 10 through 12. In Him, Doc PS My references to the "Lamb that was slain" come from Revelation 5:6, 12; 13:8. |
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