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1 | StudyBibleForum or MyOpinionForum? | 2 Tim 3:16 | EdB | 113920 | ||
Hank My guess is you somehow just knew I wouldn't remain silent on this issue. :-) Let me add my two cents. I agree with Rowdy that "Biblical truth" is MORE than a verse here and a verse there. We have to consider the "whole" Bible. As you know we have fought many battles with people proof texting their own ideas. The Pharisees where fantastic quoting doctrine based on scripture but they missed the whole thing. In some cases there are various multiple passages that seem to form a doctrine yet when viewed in light of the all scripture that cobbled together doctrine is seen to be false. I have in past learned to be very distrusting of people making points by quoting scripture, I find they are often promoting a false doctrine whose whole basis is formed by yanking a verse here and verse there proof texting their thoughts. I want to hear what people say in light of all scripture judging not that what they say is based on a verse found in the Bible but rather does what they say go with the overall flow of the whole Bible. I can make a case that everyone should marry a harlot. Hosea 1:2 When the Lord began to speak by Hosea, the Lord said to Hosea: "Go, take yourself a wife of harlotry And children of harlotry, For the land has committed great harlotry By departing from the Lord." You would then say but God is speaking to Hosea. to which I would reply Acts 10:34 Then Peter opened his mouth, and said, Of a truth I perceive that God is no respecter of persons: And off we would go and I would be solid ground as far as verses but way way off in theology. The real answer to this problem is, since this is a Bible study forum let us study the Bible and not push denominational doctrine, personal doctrine, or opinion. And when we do state opinion let everyone understand it is merely opinion and open to scrutiny of the overall teaching of the Bible. Having studied denominations and church infighting I come to the conclusion most positions do find support in one, two or even numerous verses but when held up to the light of the whole Bible most positions are straying from overall flow of the Bible. EdB |
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2 | StudyBibleForum or MyOpinionForum? | 2 Tim 3:16 | Hank | 113959 | ||
Ed, I begin with a disclaimer, for I readily admit to the possibility of being in error regarding my sense of what you and Rowdy seem to be saying in regard to the inclusion, or exclusion, of biblical references in posts to this Forum. Accordingly I stand ready to be corrected in my critique of your positions if I err or do either of you an injustice when I endeavor to offer a summary statement of these positions. Both you and Rowdy appear to embrace the position that it is better to paint in broad strokes on the canvas of the "whole Bible" than to cite a specific passage or passages as support for one's views. Proceeding on the assumption that that is your stand and his, I offer the following observations. I view as most unwise any move to try to circumvent the stated rules of the Forum, which state clearly that users, whenever possible, are to substantiate the views they promulgate on this Forum by scriptural references. I think it a grievous error to adopt a policy of laissez-faire in which it would become inappropriate to require of a user solid scriptural support for his position on any given theological subject. For a user to assert that the "whole Bible" supports this or that proposition is patently vague and nebulous and actually says nothing. In the absence of specific biblical reference, his proposition remains unproved, lacks substance, and is worthless in a Bible study environment. To give as support for one's views the "reference" that the Bible as a whole teaches thus and so is no reference at all. It is essentially tantamount to citing "they say" as an authority for anything under the sun. Now, there is no one who abhors more than I the use of isolated bits of Scripture pulled out of context and entered as "proof texts" to support some foolish theological position. But even so, when this is done, we have something concrete to talk about, some basis on which to build a rebuttal. On the other hand, when we permit post upon post which contain no scriptural references and which, in fact, contain nothing else but the user's own personal opinions and conclusions, where can we find a pivotal point on which to lodge a disagreement or by which to point out error? In the absence of chapter and verse, what can we use as talking points? How can exegetical error be pointed out if no Scripture is ever cited? Of course, the Bible can be adulterated and abused -- and often is -- when people foolishly and often ignorantly quote passages out of context in a effort to lend a semblence of credence to a pre-conceived idea or belief. But the fact that this unsavory practice occurs from time to time on this Forum does not exempt anyone from accompanying his post with appropriate scriptural references. If we, in spite of Lockman's guidelines, adopt and encourage the practice of making posts ostensibly based on the "whole Bible" but lacking specificity, we are issuing to users what amounts to a de facto carte blanche, i.e., the unrestricted power to post virtually anything at one's own discretion with disregard to Lockman's injunction: To enter posts that are biblically based and whenever possible, to support those posts with Bible references. If I assess fairly and correctly the positions of you and Rowdy on this matter, then I must confess that I oppose them, because I hold that they will have the effect of encouraging even more opinion- and speculation-ridden posts and take us even farther away from a sound, exegetical examination of the actual words of Scripture. A post on this Forum, even though it may be on a biblical topic, is hollow and unconvincing, to me at least, unless the author shows he knows enough and cares enough about the word of God to take the pains to cite its very words as authority for the content of his post. Opinions are a dime a dozen. The word of God is precious beyond price. It behoves all of us to stand always in awe, in wonder, and in utmost and deepest respect for this peerless old Book. --Hank | ||||||
3 | StudyBibleForum or MyOpinionForum? | 2 Tim 3:16 | Rowdy | 113965 | ||
Ed, I'm going to bow out at least for the moment and let you respond to Hank, IF you wish to. I think Hank knows my position and how I feel about the whole situation. Hank, no hard feelings on my side. I can see and I'm certain you and a lot of others have quite a bit invested in this Forum, and rightly so. It is a great medium through which great minds with a wide spectrum of maturity and knowledge can exchange ideas and build on those discussions. God bless you in this, your ministry to the Lord. |
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