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1 | do u tithe on unemployment checks | 1 Tim 1:8 | Beja | 220664 | ||
Val, 1. The book of Hebrews does not specifically say, "The law was abolished." In fact, if you do a search with a simple tool, you will find that the absolutely only time these two words are used in a verse together within the entire New Testament is in Matthew 5:17. I do not deny that Hebrew has a passage in particular which if read a certain way would amount to such a statement. But say those words "specifically" it most certainly does not. I'm thinking of Hebrews 7:12. But I would agree with John Gill when he says that this is not referring to the moral law but the systems of sacrifices. I think the context supports this. 2. "It was for Israel" If tithing was specifically instituted at mount sinai as a pact with Israel and ended with Christ, then why did Abraham tithe? 3. "We just have different perspectives" "Let us agree to disagree" The entire point of my post which you first responded to, was to help people understand what presuppositions causes the multitude of answers on the question of tithing. I was attempting to do this as a service because I worried about young christians seeing a simple question getting such wildly different answers. The way one answers the question of tithing is based on how one answers the question of the law's role with a Christian. You yourself are proving that your answer is based on this. What I wanted, was to present the question of the law clearly and let readers think through that so they could understand and formulate their own opinion on the tithe as it pertains to Christians. If you want us to agree to disagree, then let it lay there, with us letting people disagree on the role of the law in Christianity. That is where the disagreement is, not on tithes. The stances on tithes is merely a symptom of ones stance on the law. 4. "The other subjects you mentioned would be covered in their own topics." I am only discussing two topics, law and tithing. And both of these you once again made authority like statements on without quoting any scripture whatsoever. In conclusion, I do not mind letting us agree to disagree, or even letting the discussion end. But what we are discussing is a question that great minds have written many many pages on in the past. All I am attempting to do is give people a chance to think through these theological issues which shape our views on many things such as tithes. If you wish to discuss it with me, I very much welcome your careful presentation of your view from scripture. But if you have no interest in doing that, and just want to agree to disagree, I am happy to go along with that also. But please choose. Either articulate your position from scripture, or disagree silently. But don't just make decisive statements regarding the law over issues that have been debated for centuries as if you can declare the issue clear and closed, and that without quoting scripture. If you wish to look further into this via a book, I highly reccommend Edward Fisher's Marrow of Modern Divinity. Its a good place to start. In Christ, Beja |
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2 | do u tithe on unemployment checks | 1 Tim 1:8 | Val | 220666 | ||
I have studied the book of Hebrew PUP. I have studied many books using these in depth studies. My view so far is that tithing is something that was given to Israel under the old covenant. Under the new covenant we are under grace. No where under the new covenant is there a demand for a certain percentage to be given. Rather it does say take care of orphans, widows, help the poor, take care of your family. The physical church today does not co these things rather the majority goes to pay salaries. Therefore to demand a percentage is not right. Paul never demanded money. He asked if people wanted to participate and made a case thar they should give. However my point is he did not tell them how much to give. A thorough study of the book of Hebrews shows that we are under a new covenant. As for Abraham if you can show me that this is a mandate for the new covenant I will be willing to look at it. Grace is grace. Law is law. We are under grace. Does that give us a right to sin; as Paul said May it never be. Are you going so far as to say it is a sin not to give a certain percentage or to give only to the local church? What are giving as the Lord leads, to different causes and different amounts as the individual has purposed in his heart. Good day. | ||||||
3 | do u tithe on unemployment checks | 1 Tim 1:8 | DocTrinsograce | 220672 | ||
Dear Val, You are to be commended for your much study of the Word. We are blessed as part of the fruit of that effort. Furthermore, it is a good example worthy of our emulation. May I ask you, with your hermeneutic, what is your exegesis of a passage like 1 John 3:4? I do not recall you commenting on that verse. Thank you for your thoughts. In Him, Doc |
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4 | do u tithe on unemployment checks | 1 Tim 1:8 | Val | 220674 | ||
The tithe us not repeated in the new testment. It was given to Israel under the mosiac covenant. We are certainly told to support the church but the ways and means is left to each individual believer. To demand 10 percent is in my view legalism to me. I am under grace and liberty in the New covenant. I do not wish to debate this topic any longer. Good Day | ||||||
5 | do u tithe on unemployment checks | 1 Tim 1:8 | DocTrinsograce | 220684 | ||
Dear Val, Yes, ma'am. As you wish. Don't feel intimidated -- we are all learning. I still hope to hear what you might have to say about 1 John 3:4. I have heard it very poorly exegeted by legalists of one sort or another, but I have never heard it exegeted by an antinomian. I also do not recall how a POP study dealt with it. Thank you, anyway. In Him, Doc |
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