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1 | The rapture, A comming event, Pg 3. | 1 Thess 4:16 | DAIRYLEADER5 | 97231 | ||
The Rapture pg. 3. We see in looking back that the church could not have been raptured,because these few things required for the rapture have not taken place yet. We are thou, close, because the birth pains that jesus spoke of, have allready started.The pre trib view, 1st Thes,4:16,17., 1st Cor.,15:50-56, shows that Jesus will rapture the church before the Tribulation begins.thus fulfilling the scriptures of Rev.3:10, and others. remember we are not appointed to wrath.aka, the 7 years of the tribulation. Most Bible students make the mistake when they study prophecy, they try to use only 1 vers.to build a doctrine. Its good to keep in mind that sometimes a different opinion is determined whether you take the prophecys, litteraly or metaphorically. So for our perposes, we will take all literally. Jesus said in Rev 3:10, "sence you have kept my command to endure patiently, I will also keep you from the Hour of trial that is going to come wpon the whole world.... Since here, Jesus speeks to the entire church, and the church is still here, the rapture hasnt taken place, some try to use Mth. 24:34 and other singel passages to build a doctrine that the rapture has allready taken place, where they ere is that the prophecys, spoken of by Jesus has to be fulfilled first. The generation that sees these things come to pass, will be the generation that will see the rapture,. In Math 24:4 thru... Jesus speeks of many things that hafe to occure, 1. the Gospil must be preached unto all nations of the earth. 2. vers. 6-7, are two different references to things that must take place. 3. look at vers, 8. All these things are the begining of sorrows, so sence these are just the begining, all else has to take place. There are almost a complete list of things that must take place before the rapture here in Math. Lets go to Paul in 1Thes., Paul mentions the rapture in every chapter. Lets remember when Paul wrote these epistols, that there was a time laps between writeing, delievery and between the time the Bible was compiled as we know it today so that we could read and understand , which takes place far past 70 A.D. This time line here was not the rapture but the begining of sorrowes and the establishment of the church.Ask yourself this one question, why would Jesus send Paul out to establish the church and then rapture it before it was completed. this is pg 3. DL5 | ||||||
2 | The rapture, A comming event, Pg 3. | 1 Thess 4:16 | alanh | 126009 | ||
Where do you read the word "rapture" in the Bible? It is not there nor is the concept there, the "raopture" is not a coming event it is not an event at all.. Read Matthew 24 closely and notice how many times the Lord says "you," this is because those events were to happen in their life time not centuries from then. All of chapter 24 with the exception of verses 36ff have been fulfilled. Notice what Jesus says in verse 34: "Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished" (Matt. 24:34). Jesus is predicting the destruction of Jerusalem in 70CE and with that destruction ends Judaism. There can be no more sacrifice because there is no more priesthood (with the temple destroyed there are no more genealogical records). When one looks to the book of Revelation for information there are 4 things that must be remembered about the prophesies: 1) It is a Revelation (1:1);(2) to seven churches in Asia (1:11); (3) in signs [He sent and sign-i-fied it](1:1); (4) of things that must shor,tly come to pass (1:1; cf. 1:3; 22:6,10). Now with this information in hand we find that Revelation cannot be referring to events in the far future because the apostle plainly states the events will "shortly come to pass." Revelation also has little meaning for any but the 7 churches of Asia to whom they were written. John in the fist chapter of Revelation states that the tribulation was in his own time "I John, your brother and partaker with you in tribulation and kingdom and patience which are in Jesus, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God and the testimony of Jesus" (Revelation 1:9) and then in signs and symbols tells of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70CE. It is a message of hope to the Christian of the first century. The Scripture you have referenced 1 Thessalonians 4:16 is referring to the end of the age when Christ returns. The time of judgment. 1 Thessalonians 4:18 "Wherefore comfort one another with these words." |
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3 | The rapture, A comming event, Pg 3. | 1 Thess 4:16 | BradK | 126013 | ||
alanh, There are certainly several differing views on Revelation that are orthodox- with the Preterist view you espouse being one of them. However, there is also not unanimous agreement amongs believers. Personally, I hold to the futuristic view. From my study- and I'm by no means a scholar on this topic- where one places the dating of Revelation will have a lot to do with one's view of eschatology. When you say "This generation shall not pass away, till all these things be accomplished" (Matt. 24:34)- it could also refer to the "generation" which is alive when these events take place. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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