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NASB | 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | 1 Thessalonians 4:16 For the Lord Himself will come down from heaven with a shout of command, with the voice of the archangel and with the [blast of the] trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. |
Subject: The rapture, A comming event, Pg 3. |
Bible Note: I agree with you. It can be interesting. It is also only a problem if we stubbornly cling to our views. This is precisely the point I'm making. Everyone is going to do just that. People have been debating this topic for almost two thousand years. They either believe that the second coming has not happened and spiritualize what does not adhere to this opinion. Else they believe it happened already and assume that which they cannot verify. History and logic support one view. Lack of history and logic support the other. Where is the common ground? What will be accomplished by this topic? I'll participate insomuch as this. Direct written history supports "virtually" all of the Revelation and the Olivet Discourse, barring the second coming itself. As for that, it is my opinion that Jesus told us plainly that we wouldn't know it except by certain signs, like armies surrounding the city, etc. His coming would be like lightning flashing from east to west. It would be like a thief in the night. It would be like the days of Noah; they wouldn't know until the woe was already upon them. It would be like the days of Sodom; they wouldn't know until it was too late. The only warning the Christians had was the abomination of desolation as spoken of by the prophet Daniel. When they saw him standing in the holy place (which could be viewed as either the temple, the inner sanctuary, or merely Jerusalem and the mountain it was built upon; "God's holy mountain") they were to flee. They were not to go back for anything. Historically, the Christians fled to Pella in 66 AD, as according to Eusebius (the father of church history). They are recorded as having believed that "the abomination of desolation" was surrounding the city. There is so much historacity behind a proposed 70 AD completion of prophecy, it would take a large volume book to write it all. I know, because I have them all over my shelves. Seutonius, Tacitus, Thallus, Josephus, Pliny younger, Julius Africanus, Diogenes, Aquilius Niger, etc. It is once again my "opinion" that no person can make an informed decision on the matter until they have thoroughly read the histories. The correlations between prophecy and historical happenings is frightening. This is all I really have to say on the matter. I'm eager to discuss something else, but I'll do the best I can to discuss reasonable questions and consider reasonable suggestions. Theo-Minor |