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1 | repost of circumcission and baptism? | Col 2:12 | sandrider | 57111 | ||
The seventh day, or Saturday, Sabbath was commanded in the Old Testament, there should be little controversy about that (Exodus 16:26, 20:8). It was a symbol of waiting for the Messiah, a spiritual rest. However, Jesus taught a new kind of Sabbath. He picked grain (Matthew 12:1) and taught that on the Sabbath one should, save sheep, a symbol of God's flock, from a well (Matthew 12:11). He did this despite the Old Testament law which said that a man is to be killed for violating the Sabbath (Numbers 15:32-6). Finally, Matthew 28:1 reads, "And on the eve of the sabbaths, at the dawn, toward the first of the sabbaths, came Mary the Magdalene, and the other Mary, to see the sepulchre..." (Young's Literal Translation, the KJV and its paraphrases misinterpreted the passage). This passage shows that there are two groups of Sabbaths, those including the Saturday after Jesus's death, and those including the following Sunday. A similar passage is Mark 16:9 (Be sure to use YLT). Hence, Colossians 2:16, "Let no one, then, judge you in eating or in drinking, or in respect of a feast, or of a new moon, or of sabbaths..." Sometimes the Bible doesn't spit things out plain and simple, you have to study it. |
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2 | repost of circumcission and baptism? | Col 2:12 | rferg | 57149 | ||
Jesus was not teaching a new kind of Sabbath, the Sabbath is to worship the "true creator" God. That will never change. Even in heaven we will be worshiping on the Sabbath (Is. 66:23). He only made Holy ONE day and that was the Sabbath (Saturday) and sanctified it, he was showing by example that it was okay to do "good" on the Sabbath. There were many "man" made rules pertaining to what you could and couldn't do on the Sabbath. In Colossians 2:16 KJV Let no man there for judge you in meat or in drink or in respect of a holday or of the new moon or of the sabbath days. I have noticed in other versions the word "days" is "day" or "Sabbaths", which would mean the seventh day Sabbath. But in the KJV is say "days" which is referring to the festivals (ordinances). This has nothing to do with the seventh day Sabbath God has commanded us to keep Holy. Also read starting at verse 14 through 17 and Eph. 2:15 |
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3 | repost of circumcission and baptism? | Col 2:12 | Morant61 | 57166 | ||
Greetings Referg! May I touch upon two points you made my friend! 1) Man made rules! While the rabbi's definitely went beyond Scripture on points, many of the rules about the sabbath were established by God, not man. For example, Exod. 16:29-30; 34:21; 35:3; and Num. 15:32-36 all list certain kinds of work which were restricted by God on the sabbath. 2) Col. 2:16: The reason most translations say 'Sabbath' instead of Sabbath days is that the plural form could also be used to refer to the seventh day sabbath. We know this from both Scripture and historical records. For instance, Josephus says in his Antiquities (3, 10, 1): "The law requires, that out of the public expenses a lamb of the first year be killed every day, at the beginning and at the ending of the day; but on the seventh day, which is called the Sabbath, they kill two, and sacrifice them in the same manner. At the new moon, they both perform the daily sacrifices, and slay two bulls, with seven lambs of the first year, and a kid of the goats also, for the expiation of sins; that is, if they have sinned through ignorance." Here, Sabbath is the same plural form as found in Col. 2:16 and Josephus is clearly refering to the seventh day sabbath. Scripturally, we find the following verses which use the plural form to refer to the seventh day sabbath: a) Mt. 12:1 - "At that time Jesus went through the grainfields on the Sabbath. His disciples were hungry and began to pick some heads of grain and eat them." (In fact, v. 2 uses the singular. Hence, in these two verses the plural and singular are used interchangeably.) b) Mt. 12:5 - "Or haven?t you read in the Law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple desecrate the day and yet are innocent?" c) Mt 12:10 - "and a man with a shriveled hand was there. Looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, they asked him, ??Is it lawful to heal on the Sabbath?? 11 He said to them, ??If any of you has a sheep and it falls into a pit on the Sabbath, will you not take hold of it and lift it out? 12 How much more valuable is a man than a sheep! Therefore it is lawful to do good on the Sabbath.?" d) Mt. 28:1 - "After the Sabbath, at dawn on the first day of the week, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary went to look at the tomb." (Here, even the first occurance of the word is plural.) e) Mk. 1:21 - "They went to Capernaum, and when the Sabbath came, Jesus went into the synagogue and began to teach." I could go on, but these should suffice to demonstrate that the plural form was also used to indicate a seventh day sabbath. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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4 | repost of circumcission and baptism? | Col 2:12 | kalos | 57175 | ||
Tim: Once again you have demonstrated superior scholarship. It never ceases to amuse and amaze me when "Ricky Recruit" or "Nicky Newcomer" takes it upon him/herself to correct (set straight) people like you, Hank, Nolan, Reformer Joe and others. As for these overnight sensations, these Lone Ranger Internet Bible experts, it is said the more one knows the more he knows that he doesn't know. Likewise, the less one knows the less he/she is aware of his/her lack of knowledge. Grace to you, kalos |
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5 | repost of circumcission and baptism? | Col 2:12 | Morant61 | 57176 | ||
Greetings Kalos! Thanks for the kind words! I must add though that it is easier than it looks to do sound research with the modern Bible programs available today. ;-) I love my program. It is a simple matter to look up every occurance of a word (English, Greek, or Hebrew). By the way, for the sake of the forum I would offer these recommendations for doing a good word study. 1) Look up every occurance of a particular Greek or Hebrew word. If you don't know the languages, use a good concordance like Strongs to find out which Greek or Hebrew word is being used. Some words may be used so often that one many only be able to do a representative sampeling. 2) Pay particular attention to how a particular author uses that word in his writtings. To many people make the mistake of just plugging in a concordance definition in every single verse, but this doesn't always work. Some authors use a particular word differently than others. So, when researching a word, determine how John (for instance) uses that word in his writtings. 3) Make a list of the possible meanings you have found doing your word study. Note things like case, tense, person, number, ect.... 4) Consult an expert in that particular language to make sure that you have not missed anything, especially idioms which may not be apparent apart from a knowledge of a language. Word studies are wonderful tools for understanding Scripture. Of course, one must still do sound exgesis of the text, but good word studies will answer many questions quickly and easily - as you mentioned earlier my friend! ;-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | repost of circumcission and baptism? | Col 2:12 | justme | 57199 | ||
Morant61: I hope some paid attention to your fine suggestion of how to find, and do word studies. This proves, with patients and genuine interest of study, anyone can grow and learn a lot. However you are competing with these self taught "terachers" on TV that are so spell binding and emotion runs the show, that few there are that will look up these false teachers words, and find out their are truely "false teachers". It any wonder that many TV preachers have fallen. and the pure Chruch takes the shame. Tim you and so many on the forum try to poimt the new lambs in the right direction, That's all we can ask. Thank you. agape justme |
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