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1 | Is the sin nature a substance or mindset | Phil 3:9 | srbaegon | 100459 | ||
Hello Ken, [Because we have come out of the divine nature] This is invalid. We are made in the image and likeness of God, but we do not have a part with the divine nature. [Jesus is the father of their sonship] No, Jesus is the vehicle of our sonship (John 1:12) not the father. [He was not the Son of God because he could not help it, but because he willed to be in himself the Son that he was in the divine idea.] No. He was always the Son, because that is His eternal position (Isaiah 9:6). [we must be the sons we are.] We are not sons until receiving Christ (John 1:12). George McDonald has very bad theology. Steve |
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2 | Is the sin nature a substance or mindset | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100483 | ||
This needs to be addressed and refuted because it does injury. #1.[Because we have come out of the divine nature] [This is invalid. We are made in the image and likeness of God, but we do not have a part with the divine nature.] Very valid! Mc Donald didn't say that. What he did say is that we came OUT OF IT. Read it again for the first time then use honesty in your reply. #2.Jesus is the father of their sonship [No, Jesus is the vehicle of our sonship (John 1:12) not the father.] Vehicle, you say!? Where's that in scripture? Chapter and verse, please! He IS the author and finisher of our faith. [at least mine] The everlasting Father of it! Jesus is the pioneer of our becoming a son; Father of it! Right? #3. He was not the Son of God because he could not help it, but because he willed to be in himself the Son that he was in the divine idea. [No. He was always the Son, because that is His eternal position (Isaiah 9:6).] Not as a Man, but known only to God that He would accomplish the task that God could say YES if asked beforehand if Jesus was His Son!! Everything with God is in the present tense and God knew Jesus would succeed! But in actuality it was yet to be accomplished by Him! The Son of God in [Jesus] had to be fulfilled [and was fulfilled in the foreknowledge of God..that's why Father withheld nothing from Him..He trusted Him...He was full of Grace and truth because Father knew He would complete His mission. All the temptations and trials He went through as a man and protecting His sinless nature was by showing His allegiance to the Father! Power at this Point!![ Isaiah 28:6 (NASB-U) .....A strength to those who repel the onslaught at the gate. We have temptations as well for the same reasons, i.e., showing our allegiance BUT/AND to overcome the enemy of our soul.. That's our responsibilty as "sons". We have His sinless LIFE plus The POWER of the Holy Spirit within us and upon us [those that are born again and have experienced Pentecost for themselves] to accomplish this; to Become as He was! #4. we must be the sons we are. [We are not sons until receiving Christ (John 1:12).] We are not son's at all at that point but children to be taught.. Learn the Bible before you teach it. John 1:12 (NASB-U) But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, ...And ... For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God. ...A learning process to be sure.... For the anxious longing of the creation waits eagerly for the revealing of the sons of God. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus so that you will prove yourselves to be blameless and innocent, children of God above reproach in the midst of a crooked and perverse generation, among whom you appear as lights in the world. [George McDonald has very bad theology.] Geo.McDonald was one of the mentors of Oswald Chambers and C.S.Lewis... Geo.McDonald knew God. |
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3 | Is the sin nature a substance or mindset | Phil 3:9 | srbaegon | 100662 | ||
Hello Ken, #1 [What he did say is that we came OUT OF IT. Read it again for the first time then use honesty in your reply.] To say we came out of a divine nature would require a vestige of that divine nature to be in each of us, thereby making us already gods in a certain respect and worthy of worship, glory, and praise. This is not the case. We are created beings (Gen 1:27) with no divine nature or tie to a divine nature beyond the Holy Spirit indwelling us when we believe. #2. [The everlasting Father of it! Jesus is the pioneer of our becoming a son; Father of it! Right? ] Wrong. Again Jesus is not the Father of it. He is the Author and Perfecter as you have stated. There is no Scripture saying He is the Father of sonship. Only God the Father can be that father. As for Jesus being the vehicle of sonship (i.e. the one through whom we receive sonship), I already gave John 1:12. I would also add Eph 1:5. #3. If I'm understanding you correctly, you are saying that Jesus is the Son only because of His finished earthly work. And that God, foreseeing that completed earthly work, was willing to say Jesus was His son. Again the answer is no. The Son was given to mankind. He was always the Son as His relation in the Triunity of the Godhead. (Romans 8:3; Galatians 4:4-6; 1 John 4:9-14) #4. You are confusing the work of sanctification (which is a learning process) with our adoption as sons (which is already accomplished--Romans 8:15; Galatians 3:26; Ephesians 1:5). [Geo.McDonald was one of the mentors of Oswald Chambers and C.S.Lewis... Geo.McDonald knew God.] Like I said in another posting to you: I don't like Chambers, and Lewis had bad theology. Steve |
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4 | Is the sin nature a substance or mindset | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100738 | ||
[To say we came out of a divine nature would require a vestige of that divine nature to be in each of us, thereby making us already gods in a certain respect and worthy of worship, glory, and praise. This is not the case. We are created beings (Gen 1:27) with no divine nature or tie to a divine nature beyond the Holy Spirit indwelling us when we believe.] That's an overkill to be sure. "Because we have come out of the divine nature, which chooses to be divine, we must choose to be divine, to be OF God, to be one with God, loving and living as he loves and lives, and so be partakers of the divine nature. Otherwise we perish." See John 17 because that's all McDonald is speaking of here. "Man cannot originate this life. It must be shown him, and he must choose it" ....by his own freewill that the Holy Spirit can direct. John 14:26 (NASB) "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you. John 15:26 (NASB) "When the Helper comes, whom I will send to you from the Father, that is the Spirit of truth, who proceeds from the Father, He will bear witness of Me [Wrong. Again Jesus is not the Father of it. He is the Author and Perfecter as you have stated. There is no Scripture saying He is the Father of sonship. Only God the Father can be that father. As for Jesus being the vehicle of sonship (i.e. the one through whom we receive sonship), I already gave John 1:12. I would also add Eph 1:5.] You're tough to keep from warping... Who is the "everlasting Father" in Isaiah? Who is Emmanuel with us? [#3. If I'm understanding you correctly, you are saying that Jesus is the Son only because of His finished earthly work. And that God, foreseeing that completed earthly work, was willing to say Jesus was His son.] Sure. As I stated somewhere, there is no time in God's thinking. Everything with God is in the present tense. He KNEW Jeremiah before he was born, etc. This places the foreknowledge of God at His disposal that He give direction to accomplish what He wants done to whomever is "adandoned" to Him. It's not pedestination as you may think I mean. Just foreknewldge. He knew the outcome of Jesus' life beforehand..Yours and mine, also. Remember Proverbs 16:9 (NASB) The mind of man plans his way, But the Lord directs his steps. The mind of man in this instance was Jesus' mind set on the purposes of God because of the ..."JOY set before Him..". God directed His steps. That said, where should our minds be set that we find favor with God that we become son's with new bodies? .....Pharaoh's mind was also set in Exodus. What did God do with him? Can't you see freewill in this? [Again the answer is no. The Son was given to mankind. He was always the Son as His relation in the Triunity of the Godhead. (Romans 8:3; Galatians 4:4-6; 1 John 4:9-14)] The Son eguals the "Word" who laid aside His heavenly attributes to become Jesus..."Thou shalt call His name Jesus..."....no longer the "Word". I don't think it necesssary I repeat my above refutation of your thinking. Jesus, the man is the new habitation for the Word. Now the [Word] has a Glorified human body to dwell in. [#4. You are confusing the work of sanctification (which is a learning process) with our adoption as sons (which is already accomplished--Romans 8:15; Galatians 3:26; Ephesians 1:5).] I'm not confusing anything. If it's a learning process then it's not finished is it? Seems you're the one confused. Why is the whole world groaning and still waiting for that to happen...Hmmm? Chambers is deep, too deep for those who don't understand the Kingdom of God and what becoming a son means. Lewis I never read that much of Him to have an opinion. |
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