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1 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Reformer Joe | 100186 | ||
"NO" to which question? I asked two of them. You are being extremely unclear in your posts, Ken. At first you were arguing with me, and now it seems that in spite of the fact you are arguing with me, that you are saying the same thing I was saying before. Either you are not understanding what I am posting, or you are doing a horrible job of coherently presenting an opposing view, or you haven't got it down in your head what you yourself believe our role is in our sanctification. From the scattered ideas that appear in your post, it is pretty impossible to determine which is the case. " Keeping our faith in Christ frees Him [by our faith in Him] to excercise His FAITH in us." Please show me one instance where the Bible says that that the faith which saves us is HIS faith. I am asking for a direct quote here, not a rambling paragraph. "See the woman with the issue of blood and ponder that for awhile." What does that have to do with our struggle against sin in our lives? Not much, except for the source of the power. The Christian life is not a passive one. --Joe! |
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2 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100188 | ||
[Please show me one instance where the Bible says that that the faith which saves us is HIS faith. I am asking for a direct quote here, not a rambling paragraph.] First off I won't tolerate your snottiness. I trust I'm at least clear on that. And because you aren't clear on the rest....Well that's your problem..Study to show yourself approved. ["Keeping our faith in Christ frees Him [by our faith in Him] to excercise His FAITH in us."] Means exactly what it says. Jesus could do nothing in many cities because of unbelief. You do know what that means...I hope. Now if it can be seen that our faith isn't perfect in Him and His functioning in us is a direct result of that then you should be able to see His limitations and the cause of those limitations. Tell me, how does one quench the Holy Spirit? If you were full of the Holy Spirit you would be as Christ, wouild't you? Why aren't you full of the Holy Spirit? Who would be living and having His way in you if you were? Hmmm..Who is it that presently has his way with you? |
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3 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Reformer Joe | 100199 | ||
"First off I won't tolerate your snottiness. I trust I'm at least clear on that. And because you aren't clear on the rest....Well that's your problem..Study to show yourself approved." Great Scripture there. What book is it in? "If you were full of the Holy Spirit you would be as Christ, wouild't you?" No. "Who would be living and having His way in you if you were? Hmmm..Who is it that presently has his way with you?" I prescribe less bumper sticker theology...too many slogans get in the way of Truth. --Joe! |
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4 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Ken hepting | 100204 | ||
["If you were full of the Holy Spirit you would be as Christ, would't you?" No.] Really? I said "as" Christ, not Christ. So you should ponder who you might be. You're not making much sense here. We sing a chorous that goes "From Glory to Glory He's changing me, changing me. His Likeness and image perfected in me ,the life He has shown to the world." 2 Cor. 3:18 (NASB-U) But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit. "Who would be living and having His way in you if you were? Hmmm..Who is it that presently has his way with you?"] Since you say you don't know who would be dwelling in you to have His way leads me to believe you are something "extra-Christian" or "sub-Christian".. [I prescribe less bumper sticker theology...too many slogans get in the way of Truth.] I wonder if you can discern any kind of truth, Joe, Sorry but I think your dogma handups have muddied your waters.. |
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5 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | Reformer Joe | 100206 | ||
'Really? I said "as" Christ, not Christ. So you should ponder who you might be. You're not making much sense here.' Sure I am. I can be full of the Holy Spirit, but I will never be completely as Christ until I am in heaven. 'We sing a chorous that goes "From Glory to Glory He's changing me, changing me. His Likeness and image perfected in me ,the life He has shown to the world."' Okay. He IS changing me. I agree completely. That is a work in progress. I firmly believe that one day I will be identical in nature to Jesus' human nature. That day has not arrived yet. No one walking the earth is as Christ right now. " 2 Cor. 3:18 (NASB-U) But we all, with unveiled face, beholding as in a mirror the glory of the Lord, are being transformed into the same image from glory to glory, just as from the Lord, the Spirit." Again, Christians ARE BEING transformed. The action is not complete. "Since you say you don't know who would be dwelling in you to have His way leads me to believe you are something "extra-Christian" or "sub-Christian".. " I never said anything of the sort. "I wonder if you can discern any kind of truth, Joe, Sorry but I think your dogma handups have muddied your waters.." Okay, quick poll for the rest of the Forum: am I imagining things when I say that the posts I have been responding to are scatterbrained? Is my discourse that "muddied"? --Joe! |
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6 | ?self effort 2 B holy now vs befor saved | Phil 3:9 | BradK | 100214 | ||
Joe: I concur with your thoughts. You're fine.The Q and A from Ken Hepting are not at all clear. Communication occurs when both parties clearly understand each other. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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