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1 | catholic and protestant salvation view | Eph 4:3 | Reformer Joe | 49170 | ||
Of course, you will have to decide for yourself whether to follow the current Catholic Catechism, or the Council of Trent of the 16th century, which anathematized Protestants. Both having papal authority, and being mutually contradictory statements, I can't tell you which one was fallible and which one wasn't. --Joe! |
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2 | catholic and protestant salvation view | Eph 4:3 | Emmaus | 49175 | ||
Joe, Thankfully Joe the buck doesn't stop with you. :-) And as you know, the door swung both ways on condemnations in those days. A few other paragraphs of the Catechism for those on both side who may wish to strive for unity and charity in the present. 817 In fact, "in this one and only Church of God from its very beginnings there arose certain rifts, which the Apostle strongly censures as damnable. But in subsequent centuries much more serious dissensions appeared and large communities became separated from full communion with the Catholic Church - for which, often enough, men of both sides were to blame." The ruptures that wound the unity of Christ's Body - here we must distinguish heresy, apostasy, and schism - do not occur without human sin: Where there are sins, there are also divisions, schisms, heresies, and disputes. Where there is virtue, however, there also are harmony and unity, from which arise the one heart and one soul of all believers. 818 "However, one cannot charge with the sin of the separation those who at present are born into these communities [that resulted from such separation] and in them are brought up in the faith of Christ, and the Catholic Church accepts them with respect and affection as brothers .... All who have been justified by faith in Baptism are incorporated into Christ; they therefore have a right to be called Christians, and with good reason are accepted as brothers in the Lord by the children of the Catholic Church." Emmaus |
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3 | catholic and protestant salvation view | Eph 4:3 | Reformer Joe | 49178 | ||
"Thankfully Joe the buck doesn't stop with you. :-)" Well, I can agree with you there. "And as you know, the door swung both ways on condemnations in those days." Yes, but that doesn't address the material question I addressed. Was Trent wrong about us Protestants? Are we anathema? Is the Catechism right when it says I am basically a Roman Catholic, although a separated one in denial? So whom should I believe? The 19th ecumenical council (ratified by Pius IV), or the 1994 Catechism (given the nod by John Paul II)? I really do not intend to take an ad hominem stance, Emmaus. I simply cannot grasp how one can hold to the infallibility of the Church of Rome and reconcile these two crystal-clear official dogmatic documents. If you can help me out in seeing the harmony between the two without minimizing what either of them say, I remain fully open to let the buck pass to you... --Joe! |
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4 | catholic and protestant salvation view | Eph 4:3 | Emmaus | 49181 | ||
Joe, I don't think I will successfully clarify the issue for you. The best I can say is that the anathemas were against those promoting the dissentions of the day. And the anathema, I am sure you will find this hard to accept) is sometimes called "the charitable anathema", because thay is meant not to be a verdict of eternal damanation ( which can only be decided by God), but a breaking of fellowship in the hope that the one excommunicated will see the error of his ways and repent. This is still done today in Protestant Churches as well as the Catholic Church. Emmaus |
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