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1 | A fresh mental and spiritual attitude? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150000 | ||
Hi Mark, I know that you are worried that I look like a Jehovah's Witness spy that has been hiding in the ranks of the forum; what with my believe in a 'holy spirit'. Let me put your fears at rest; I am not a Jehovah's Witness. However, I do interpret a lower case holy spirit in the occurances speaking of being filled with [the] holy spirit. You need to find verses for me where the Person of the Holy Spirit is found in the passages of being filled with holy spirit. And I am talking of 'filled with' not His "coming upon them." I also believe that His Spirit indwells us; the Scripture "Christ in us the hope of glory" is well known by us. I just don't believe that we are "filled with the Holy Spirit". 1) When His (Spirit) indwells us then we are walking together with the (Lord). Romans 8:11, "But if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His (Spirit) who indwells you." Ephesisans 4:17, "This I say therefore, and affirm together with the (Lord), that you walk no longer just as the Gentiles also walk, in the futility of their mind,..." *********** Romans 8:11, "for if you are living according to the flesh, you must die; but if by the Spirit you are putting to death the deeds of the body you will live." Ephesians 4:18, "being darkened in their understanding, excluded from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, because of the hardness of their heart;" ****** Romans 8:16, "The Spirit Himself bears witness with our spirit that we are children of (God)." Ephesians 4:30, "And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of (God), by whom you were sealed for the day of redemption." *********** 2) These are verses that show my understanding of the Person and the existence of a spirit that we have received. I believe that the Holy Spirit is a Person of the trinity. And I say it this way; that God is the Giver and the gift is holy spirit. I do not say that the Holy Spirit is not a Gift, just as the Son was the Gift of God although it isn't worded that way. But I am encouraging a consideration of the "holy spirit" as a gift. 3) You have asked for Scriptures that speak of the 'holy spirit', but we will talk of those when you get back with me with verses that talk of the Person in connection with being "filled with the holy spirit." From the heart, Ray |
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2 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Morant61 | 150064 | ||
Greetings Ray! If you acknowledge that the Holy Spirit dwells within us according to Rom. 8:11, why would you reject that we can be 'filled' with the Holy Spirit? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150081 | ||
Hi Tim, Because all we need is a (s)Seed within us. John 3:34, "For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God; for He gives the (s)Spirit without measure." 1) If our interpretation is that God gives the Spirit without measure, then each one of us is claiming to be bigger than God; because God is not measured out then one contains all of God. 2) If our interpretation is that God gives out *spirit, words of truth and power, we can be full of these words with many more yet available in the word of God to be discovered and applied. And all these things can be given to them as the Holy Spirit wills because they are in His hand. For He whom God has sent speaks the words of God;...let's obey the Son. Let's obey this God/Man. The person who believes that the Son is Spirit has eternal life, is what the passage says to me. Don't you get that message, too? But it is received through the spirit and words given without measure. The Son is Spirit and He gives the spirit as down payment and a pledge of our inheritance as God's possession. That's the way I see it. ******* Romans 8:14, "For all who are being led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of **God." John 6:63, Literally, "The Spirit is the One who makes alive; the flesh does not help at all. The words which **I speak to you spirit are and life they are." From the heart, Ray |
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4 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | DocTrinsograce | 150086 | ||
Dear Ray, Your option 1 states, "If our interpretation is that God gives the Spirit without measure, then each one of us is claiming to be bigger than God; because God is not measured out then one contains all of God." Even in English, the phrase "without measure" does not necessarily mean that that which is given is measurable. Matthew Henry comments on this expression, "The Spirit dwelt in Him, not as a vessel, but as in a fountain, as in a bottomless ocean." John Gill wrote, "But the Lord Jesus has every, gift of the Spirit, and the fulness of grace in Him: He is anointed with the oil of gladness, with the Holy Ghost above His fellows; and has an immeasurable unction of the Holy One; which, like the precious oil poured on Aaron, descends from him to the members of his body." Albert Barnes simply wrote, "Not in a small degree, but fully, completely." Whereas Robert Jamieson wrote, "It means the entire fulness of divine life and divine power." Furthermore, you put words in our mouths by concluding that "each one of us is bigger than God." None of us would agree to such a conclusion, furthermore we would deny that this is an inescapable conclusion. We understand that God is omnipresent. He is as much with you reading this post as He is with me typing this post. This does not mean that there would be twice as much God present if we were together! :-) What you have presented, therefore, is called a false dilemma. In addition you have used the straw man argument. Both of these are logical fallacies. As believers, we seek to get to the truth. Our methods of reasoning should be as close to above reproach as possible. It is not inappropriate to disagree, but be careful to properly characterize the oposition's arguments. Success in a debate will be much more valuable, as well! In Him, Doc PS John 3:34 isn't talking about God giving the Holy Spirit to men. It is about the degree that God gave the Holy Spirit to Jesus; i.e., infinitely beyond that to which He gave any other prophet. |
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5 | Filled with Holy Spirit? | Eph 4:23 | Ray | 150109 | ||
Hi Doc, I am not putting words in anybody's mouth. What I said is that "If our interpretation is that"; in other words I am still considering the verse with everyone. In fact in looking at it in my own mind, I would change my statement to read "each one of us would be EQUAL to God." If we were bigger than God then the Spirit wouldn't have filled us completly; in other words He would be measurable short. But if our interpretation is that He gives the Spirit without measure then our body would not be able to contain Him and it would either leak or burst and be destroyed. It has been suggested by some authors and post on this forum that our body leaks and thus we need to be constantly filled again and again. Yet if there is a constant measure of filling of the Spirit, then there is no room in our body for more, there is just that continual leak. Pretty deep stuff there; it must be early morning. :) 1) Consider the one whose interpretation is that we are filled with spirit rather than the Person. Then we are to be filled with the spirit. When we are filled with the spirit we preach the gospel, we sing spiritual songs, we study the Bible and the words of God so that we can be filled anew. Rather than our body bursting, we burst out in words of praise, telling the mighty deeds of God. We then attain to the stature of the fullness of God. 1a) If we are considering a post together, then the words of God that come to your mind combined with the words of God that come to mine can be doubled or at least multiplied or combined, and even more when other people join us in spirit. 2) I disagree with your postscript concerning John 3:34. For that we should look at John 3:19-21 in the 1977 and 1995 versions of the NASB and continue the discussion from there. I have to try to go back to sleep. Good night, my friend. From the heart, Ray |
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