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1 | is water-baptism needed for salvation? | Eph 2:8 | Godinus | 223835 | ||
Excuse me but haven't these opinions everyone is voicing been argued for over 500 years don't they all come down to each one's own doctrinal beliefs? As long as it can be agreed that were all saved and that arguing doctrine causes division that then should be the end of it. Unless the deeper meaning of each one's respective doctrine says that anyone not believing their doctrine is a heretic (not saved) then the whole discussion takes on a whole new meaning. According to Mk.16:16 there is a two part understanding to salvation the believing part which would be the forgiveness of sins and the baptism part which would be our resurrection from the dead unto newness of life. In reference to 1 Pet.3:21 when Peter says "corresponding to that" what is baptism being corresponded to? Also could you tell me what the brackets in this verse are for? Godinus |
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2 | is water-baptism needed for salvation? | Eph 2:8 | CDBJ | 223840 | ||
Greetings, Many are deluded by trying to add to what Jesus finished on the cross. Scripture boiled down to its simplest truth is that ones salvation Is by grace through faith and anything added to faith or taken from faith destroys the pure function of faith there by neutralizing faith and its object, Jesus Christ. Faith plus anything lessons saving faith and as a result some are depending on something they assume they must do and there by grace is not applied to that individual. Paul demonstrated this in, Acts 16:29-31 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, 30And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. If baptism was part of the salvation it would have been expressed as such by Paul. John goes so far as to tell us the meaning for his gospel in the following verses. John 20:30-31 And many other signs truly did Jesus in the presence of his disciples, which are not written in this book: 31But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name. Anyone depending on their works by being baptized by water for salvation has actually destroyed their hope for salvation. Faith for salvation must be an “undivided trust” in what God did for mankind in the person of His Son Jesus Christ. Ephesians 2:8-9 (AMP) 8 For it is by free grace (God’s unmerited favor) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ’s salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God; 9 Not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law’s demands], lest any man should boast. [It is not the result of what anyone can possibly do, so no one can pride himself in it or take glory to himself.] CDBJ |
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3 | is water-baptism needed for salvation? | Eph 2:8 | Godinus | 223859 | ||
Part 1 CDBJ Acts16:31 They said, "Believe in the Lord Jesus, and you will be saved, you and your household." Why did you neglect to mention that Paul did express that all the household were baptized immediately. Acts16:33 And he took them that very hour of the night and washed their wounds, and immediately he was baptized, he and all his household. You make this statement 1 "Anyone depending on their works by being baptized by water for salvation has actually destroyed their hope for salvation." 2 "Faith for salvation must be an “undivided trust” in what God did for mankind in the person of His Son Jesus Christ." This is the point where you are missing the understanding "Anyone depending on their works by being baptized" In order for this statement of yours to be true and fill the position of their works like you are saying then the act of baptism itself would have to come from their own head that baptism was something they could do in order to gain salvation but as you can see it was a mandate to the disciples from Jesus Himself. By that mandate it is showing that baptism is not in the realm of - - their works. Matthew 28:19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, Moving on we see that Paul says we have repented from dead works. Hebrews 6:1 Therefore leaving the elementary teaching about the Christ, let us press on to maturity, not laying again a foundation of repentance from dead works and of faith toward God, By our accepting Christ for the forgiveness of sin we have ceased from our works. Heb 4:10 For the one who has entered His rest has himself also rested from his works, as God did from His. Take note that these two verses in Ephesians are the same as the one in Titus except the one in Titus shows us how this takes place. That through baptism we are regenerated by the Holy Spirit. You can then see this work as you call baptism is something God through the Holy Spirit does not us because we have come into His rest the work of baptism having been ordained before the foundations of the world that we would walk in it. Ephesians 2:8 For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God. Ephesians 2:9 not as a result of works, so that no one may boast. Titus 3:5 He saved us, not on the basis of deeds which we have done in righteousness, but according to His mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewing by the Holy Spirit, Ephesians 2:10 For we are His workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared beforehand so that we would walk in them. Godinus |
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4 | is water-baptism needed for salvation? | Eph 2:8 | Godinus | 223860 | ||
Part 2 CDBJ Coming to your last argument Ephesians 2:8-9 (AMP) 8 For it is by free grace (God’s unmerited favor) that you are saved (delivered from judgment and made partakers of Christ’s salvation) through [your] faith. And this [salvation] is not of yourselves [of your own doing, it came not through your own striving], but it is the gift of God; 9 Not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law’s demands], lest any man should boast. [It is not the result of what anyone can possibly do, so no one can pride himself in it or take glory to himself.] Don't you see in your own choice of scripture v.9 "Not because of works [not the fulfillment of the Law’s demands], lest any man should boast." The works which are spoken of are the works of the law to us those are the dead works spoken of earlier those are the works where by a man try's to justify himself as worthy before coming to Christ. But let's move on to the works we are supposed to do You say it is by faith alone. Is it really? James 2:14 What use is it, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him James 2:17 Even so faith, if it has no works, is dead, being by itself. James 2:18 But someone may well say, "You have faith and I have works; show me your faith without the works, and I will show you my faith by my works." James 2:20 But are you willing to recognize, you foolish fellow, that faith without works is useless? James 2:21 Was not Abraham our father justified by works when he offered up Isaac his son on the altar? James 2:22 You see that faith was working with his works, and as a result of the works, faith was perfected; James 2:23 and the Scripture was fulfilled which says, "AND ABRAHAM BELIEVED GOD, AND IT WAS RECKONED TO HIM AS RIGHTEOUSNESS," and he was called the friend of God. James 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. James 2:25 In the same way, was not Rahab the harlot also justified by works when she received the messengers and sent them out by another way? James 2:26 For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. So the conclusion of the matter is. Yes we have the work of baptism but this work was ordained of God before the foundations of the world. The difference being this is not a work of the law whereby we seek to be justified by our works. It is not of ourselves. Yes we seek salvation through baptism because it is the extension of our faith unto justification of life. James ask's the question "if someone says he has faith but he has no works? Can that faith save him" Then he goes on through the rest of the chapter to expound on the fact that faith without works is dead he shows that Abraham and Rahab were justified by works being mingled with their faith. James uses them both as examples to us because they were not the dead works of the law but the works of God. Godinus |
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5 | is water-baptism needed for salvation? | Eph 2:8 | BradK | 223864 | ||
Hello Godinus, You state, "Yes we have the work of baptism but this work was ordained of God before the foundations of the world." You further state, "salvation through baptism because it is the extension of our faith unto justification of life." How do you arrive at these conclusions? Can you demonstrate the truth of any of this from Scripture? Rom. 5:1 clearly says, "Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ," (NASB) My friend you are so completely misapplying and twisting scripture to make your point. We are either saved by grace through faith or we're not! You are depending upon something other than the finished work of Christ on the cross! I end my discussion on this matter here. Speaking the Truth in Love, BradK |
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