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1 | How does this order of authority work? | Eph 1:20 | Ray | 148180 | ||
Hi Tim, Thank you for your participation. You have written that there are two verbs in Ephesians 2:6. However, in your literal Greek long sentence the "sat us together" lacks a pronoun. I would see four nouns and pronouns for the verse. The NKJ reads, "and raised us up together, and made us sit together in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus..." I believe that we agree that there are four occurances of Deity in the verse. The NASB has four occurances but we would say that the pronouns should be placed with the verbs. I think you would agree with, "and He raised us up together, and He sat us together in the heavenly places, in Christ Jesus." So, positionally believers are in Christ Jesus but we just aren't "with Him" yet. We are blessed with every spiritual blessing which He bestows on us, having been predestined to adoption as sons. Compare Ephesians 2:6 with Colossians 2:12. Colossians 2:12, "having been buried with Him in baptism, in which you were also raised up with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead." Also Colossians 3:2, "Set your mind on the things above, not on the things that are on earth. 3 For you have died and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ, who is our life, is revealed, then you also will be revealed with Him in glory." I want to express comparisons besides Eph 1:3 that would suggest a pronoun (or a verb?) for Ephesians 2:1, but not now. Later? From the heart, Ray |
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2 | How does this order of authority work? | Eph 1:20 | Morant61 | 148186 | ||
Greetings Ray! As we have discussed before my friend, Greek verbs have 'built in' pronouns. So, in the case of the second verb, it is simply a stylistic preference of mine not to repeat the 'built in' pronoun. But, I would certainly not have any problem with including it either. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | How does this order of authority work? | Eph 1:20 | Ray | 148223 | ||
Hi Tim, Thank you for that reminder of the built-in pronouns. My thought that was that the verbs, in order to show the different actions, could use the pronouns. Yet I hear what you are saying. 1) For Ephesians 1:22, the NKJ has a pronoun for "And He put all things in subjection". You choose to translate it "And having put all things in subjection" because you see that verb as being done before He gave Him as Head to the church. And I agree with your translating choice. However, after He fills the church in Ephesians 1:23, I see the need for the pronoun and verb saying that He made us alive; we who were dead in trespasses and sins. In other words, I see the need for a pronoun for Eph 1:22 "And He put" OR for Ephesians 2:1 "and you He made alive." My choice would be for "And you He made alive." 1) I would compare Ephesians 1:22 with 1 Corinthians 11:11-16. Ephesians 1:23 with 1 Corinthians 11:20-22. Ephesians 1:23 with 1 Corinthians 15:38. 2) Ephesians 2:1, NKJ, "And you **He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins," 1 Corinthians 15:45, "So also it is written, "The first man, Adam, became a living soul." The last **Adam [became] a life-giving spirit." From the heart, Ray |
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