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1 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187852 | ||
Ps25, Are you familiar with or a scholar of NT Greek? 1. Apparently, you have not read my note correctly regarding Ep 1:13. The main point is that the verse does not read that God Spirit-sealed us "before the foundation of the world." That is you interpretation, which goes beyond the text. As I stated, "A simple reading of the verse shows the sealing occurs after hearing and believing." Your contention that "the scriptures are clear that it was done 'and sealed' in our case, thousands of years before we were ever born" has no support in either vs.13 or vs.4 of Ep 1. The phrase in v.4, "chosen before the world was made" (TEV), contemplates (1) believers, not specific individuals, and (2) within the context of purpose, sealing. There is no reference to sealing. 2. You say, "what God 'seals' cannot be 'unsealed'." Well then, it should also hold true to say, "What God 'grafts in' cannot be 'ungrafted'," which flies right smack against Romans 11. 3. That "that no man has ever sought God on his own," is off the subject and has no bearing on this issue. 4. You're appeals to logic seem to be attemps to squeeze a round peg into a square hole, which effectively results in illogical jumps to conclusions that have no bearing on how the text in question actually reads. 5. With all due respect, if this discussion is to go forward, the first three points in my note #187838 need to be answered, which you totally ignored, having gone through some other unrelated avenue of argument. |
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2 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | Psalm 25 | 187853 | ||
Lookin, I respectfully "give up." It is obvious that you have your mind made up as I, and numerous others, have given you proof text after proof text that you continue to argue about. The free will mentality is a "Johnny come lately." Historical Christianity considered it "a herisy." A look back in history, the first three centeries where they were closest to the teachings of the apostles original teachings, declare free will and the lose of eternal security a heresy and extremely false doctrine. So, my friend, I leave you in God's hand and hopefully you won't "jerk yourself out of His almighty, sovereign, purposeful will." It is the ultimate shame on us carnal, sinful human beings that think we can thwart God's purposes and presupose that our will and failures can render what God has done "ineffective." Psalm 25 |
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3 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | Lookn4ward2Heavn | 187859 | ||
1. I hadn't discussed church history (whatever happened to sola scriptura?") except for menyioning Acts. That's jumping over the issue. I was discussing how the Bible reads. 2. Neither was I discussing "free will" or the lofty notion of "eternal security". Again, I was discussing the reading of Ep 1:13, the Bible. |
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4 | Can you lose your salvation? | Eph 1:13 | mark d seyler | 187862 | ||
Hi Lookin, Just for what its worth, I can think of at least a few citations from the early church writers that actually do plainly state their belief that God insists that those who are saved be willing to receive salvation. For what its worth. I like one thing I heard about this. They had the same Bible that we do. Love in Christ, Mark PS - I commend you on your logical and ordered responses in this thread. |
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