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1 | Is tithing a command for chriatians? | 2 Cor 9:7 | Val | 214866 | ||
Dear Beja, thank you for your willingness to discuss these scriptures. I have admired your explanations of parts of scriptures to the questioners in former discussions. Of course it is ok to disagree and not break fellowship on this particular topic. I would like to discuss it civilly and perhaps both of us could learn from the discussion. As to your comments on dispensational view point, I must say this leaves me personally with more confusion as I do not fully understand the label. Since it appears you have a bone to pick with them I would suggest you find one of the best ones you can and have a go with them. Rather than trying to label each person as to their answers seems like an unnecessary endeavor. Anyway, enough on that could we just stick to the scriptures and discuss them and leave the labels out of it and just maybe I can follow your thoughts. Thanking you in advance for that consideration. I am in full support of the nation of Israel and the danger I see in interpretations that say that God is through with Israel is upsetting for a variety of reasons. Some of them though not exhaustive for myself personally is the prophecies which direct a future plan for Israel as a nation, secondly, God Himself somewhere said that Israel is the apple of His eye, Thirdly, we are told that God Himself will judge nations as to how they treat Israel. He did this in ancient times and I believe personally He will do it again. Fourthly, the covenant God made with Abraham is a promise that includes a land. This covenant is described as an everlasting covenant. Fifthly, the church is under the New covenant. This is a completely separate covenant, one which any person of any nation is under if they place their belief in Messiah Jesus. Sixthly, the promise God made with Israel/Jacob is one that He made with them not because of anything extraordinary in them but because of His name. Even though they rejected Messiah as a nation, He will keep His promise/covenant for His name. Seventhly, context is the first rule of interpretation, therefore, if God is dealing with the nation Israel and this is an example for people of all nations what is it that God wants us to know. I would say he wants us to love and worship Him as God, creator of heaven and earth, and not worship any other false god. Obedience to His commands which is what He required of his nation Israel is what He requires of us. Eighthly, many people who hold to a future for the nation of Israel view your interpretation that God is through with Israel dangerous because if your wrong then we may treat Israel in a way not according to God’s plan, i.e., making them give away their land, which God has given them. This would bring judgment to those who make them do this. Living in this land and fearing God’s wrath is the reason it is a dangerous view in my personal opinion according to the verses referring to the land. Ninthly, the view that Paul is seeing Israel and the church as two distinct things; yes he does. The Ephesians book explains the mystery of the church; jew and gentile in one body. He is speaking of individuals which make up the church not nations. Tenthly, the book of Galatians explains what genuine faith is and how it is obtained. Abraham was a man of faith and this is explained. It has always been by grace through faith. It is by grace, a gift, something that God did by providing His Son Jesus as the sacrifice for our sins and raised Him up the third day showing His satisfaction with the perfect sacrifice of Jesus the Lamb of God. Faith is how we obtain this gift and Paul shows Abrahams faith in his obedience to God by taking his son to the mountain and offering him there believing the promise of God making him a great nation and to do that God would raise Isaac from the dead if need be. So those who had a faith like Abraham are the true Israel. We know God has always had a believing remnant and not all who are in the nation of Israel had true faith, i.e. those whom God destroyed in the wilderness for their unbelief. I will look at Philippians 3:3 later. If you would like to pursue each scripture individually that is what I am best at. I have given you the big picture of my interpretations of my studying. We can look at each point you stand on in scripture and discuss it. That is the only way I know how to study the bible. Your sister in Christ - Val |
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2 | Is tithing a command for chriatians? | 2 Cor 9:7 | Vintage68 | 214867 | ||
Hi Val Israel is the apple of Gods eye. Therefore, anything that has, or will happen to Israel, God has allowed. Nothing that happens to Israel is out of the control of God. No unforeseen disaster, such as the giving of land, to the Palestinians, will put Israel into any danger that God would not be aware of. It's all in Gods plan. Vintage68 |
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3 | Is tithing a command for chriatians? | 2 Cor 9:7 | Val | 214871 | ||
Dear Vintage68, yes I agree. Thanks Val | ||||||