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1 | Is tithing a command for chriatians? | 2 Cor 9:7 | Beja | 214868 | ||
Keily, Perhaps I am in fact misunderstanding your stance. To help me clarify, could you tell me what you see as the means of acquiring salvation in the various dispensations. Perhaps this question will not help me to understand, but it might drag out the distinctives in your stance for me. In Love, Beja |
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2 | Is tithing a command for chriatians? | 2 Cor 9:7 | keliy | 214872 | ||
Dear Beja, There has been many differences in viewpoints that concern the Church and Israel among many believers. I see this Forum as a way we can either resolve differences or fortify our own beliefs. With over 4,000 Protestant denominations, There is likely no way we will come into harmony using an electronic format, So I will offer you my beliefs, question other's and respect them all just the same. I was going to write a post anyway to clarify dispensationalsism because it seemed to me that if you and I are not in agreement of what dispensationalism is, we can never understand each other's viewpoints regarding the evidence for dispensationalsism. I define it as an interpretive framework for understanding the overall flow of the Bible. My brand of theology is based on grammatical/historical methods of interpretation. Interpreting Grammatically means you must define words and concepts according to the rules of grammar of the language being used, including consideration of context. Interpreting Historically means simply that passages must be interpreted in the way the people would take them at the time the human author wrote them. This type of interpretation forces you to realize that God has a specific plan for Israel that is yet to be fully completed. God has another plan for the Church that is also in the process of being fulfilled. Thus, "Dispensationalism", amounts to God working in different ways at different times with different groups, although all are saved by grace through faith. So Jews in the O.T. were under the Law, while Christians in the N.T. are not; two different dispensations. To answer your question on " the means of acquiring salvation in the various dispensations", I believe that our views are alike. Scripture plainly teaches that there will be a great final judgement of believers as well as unbelievers. Christ will proclaim their eternal destiny as they stand before His judgement seat in their resurrected bodies. This can be found in Rev 20:11-15. Blessings, keliy |
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3 | Is tithing a command for chriatians? | 2 Cor 9:7 | Beja | 214952 | ||
Dear Keily, You've provided me just the very thing to finally drag out exactly the difference in our view points. You said, "Interpreting Historically means simply that passages must be interpreted in the way the people would take them at the time the human author wrote them." I have spent most of my life in complete agreement with this statement. This statement leads to the views you hold, the assumptions I hold, lead to my particular views. You are exactly correct that the people at their time would have heard these promises to regard a national Israel. However, it is my belief, that the apostles, Jesus, and the new testament as a whole disagree with this. I believe those took all these promises and saw the fulfillment of these promises in Christ and in the Church. I hold to your statement in almost all areas of interpretation except the promises granted to Israel which I see as our promises in Christ. That is the heart of where we have been disagreeing the past several days. In my discussion with Val it has now become my task to give some specific support for why I say that is so. That will be coming if not today (two days of vacation left!) but I'll probably get around to it sooner than when I go home. As I said, its hard for me to look down on your view since all good sense and just an honest approach to scripture would certainly begin with such a view. I've just been convinced (rightly or wrongly) that scripture doesn't hold that view. And thank you for your explination, it sounds like we do hold the same view on salvation in the various times. In Love, Beja |
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4 | Is tithing a command for chriatians? | 2 Cor 9:7 | keliy | 214959 | ||
Dear Beja, Thank you for your kind response. I did not know you were on vacation when your initial post came through. I did see this thread as having the potential for brewing up some troublesome complexity, but now that I know you will be back to your office in a few days, I will wait and watch for another response from you then. I had felt my response to your request was a little fragmented and hard to follow, and I apologize for that. In my next post I will have a better trained thought pattern. I myself am grateful to this Forum and all the brothers and sisters who are helping me to grow in my convictions. I also wish to thank you personally for your teaching and your understanding. Enjoy what's left of your respite, and Lord Bless, keliy |
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