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1 | Homosexual debate at school help please | 2 Cor 4:4 | the shadow provs the sunshine | 168327 | ||
Ok i go to high school and i am in a class full of unbelivers. receantly we had a debate about how being homosexual is ok and that the bible dosent say anything about it. i found a bit on it in the NLT but the people i would be arguing with will probly want something older because its more accurate and hasent been as "changed" as the newer stuff. any help would be very helpfull. if u think somthing means homosexual try to find deffnision for it so i can verafiy it to them. thanks and God bless!! | ||||||
2 | Homosexual debate at school help please | 2 Cor 4:4 | Robin Hass | 168328 | ||
I am never particularly impressed when godless people condemn homosexuality which usually comes from a root of hate. I've visited ex-concentration camps in Germany and I don't believe the world's hatred of homosexuals comes from God. They just hate them because they're different and for the same reasons all godless people are divided and alienated from each other and God. Love the sinner, hate the sin is the Christian message. It matters not whether the godless hate homosexuality in their unregenerate state. It's a false commonality. |
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3 | Homosexual debate at school help please | 2 Cor 4:4 | Wild Olive Shoot | 168331 | ||
Robin, Would really appreciate your thoughts on the following in reference to love the sinner, hate the sin being the Christian message. Psalm 5:6 Thou shalt destroy them that speak leasing: the LORD will abhor the bloody and deceitful man. Psalm 11:5 The LORD trieth the righteous: but the wicked and him that loveth violence his soul hateth. Leviticus 20:23 And ye shall not walk in the manners of the nation, which I cast out before you: for they committed all these things, and therefore I abhorred them. Hosea 9:15 All their wickedness is in Gilgal: for there I hated them: for the wickedness of their doings I will drive them out of mine house, I will love them no more: all their princes are revolters. Proverbs 6:16-19: 16 These six things doth the LORD hate: yea, seven are an abomination unto him: 17 A proud look, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, 18 An heart that deviseth wicked imaginations, feet that be swift in running to mischief, 19 A false witness that speaketh lies, and he that soweth discord among brethren. God does not punish sin. He punishes the sinner. Since sin occurs in our hearts and minds, how are we able to distinguish between the sin and the sinner, to hate one and love the other? God his wholly just and able to do so but I’m not so sure that I can love and hate without one compromising the other in some manner. Thoughts? WOS |
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4 | Homosexual debate at school help please | 2 Cor 4:4 | Robin Hass | 168334 | ||
Well we are called to show love to unregenerate sinners, of that I am sure. To eat with them, drink with them and share Christ with them... When God redeems a person He will bring them into truth regarding the sin of homosexuality. I don't think a neo-nazi who hates homosexuals or a liberal who accepts them with humanitarian benevolence will if born-again accept the proper Christian teaching on homosexuality diffferently. Only 'works' which originate from God are genuine. The former are not already in possession of the truth. In the OT Scriptures you cite I contend that God is the only Judge and we are called to love the sinner whilst condemning sin. |
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5 | Homosexual debate at school help please | 2 Cor 4:4 | Wild Olive Shoot | 168335 | ||
Thanks for the reply Robin. Any others have thoughts pertaining to how we can accomplish love of a sinner while hating sin without compromising our love or hate for either? WOS |
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6 | Homosexual debate at school help please | 2 Cor 4:4 | DocTrinsograce | 168347 | ||
Dear Brother WOS, This is quite a conundrum. Quoting specific Scriptures and various platitudes, we can fall either side of the issue. Because of the nature of the human heart, we can end up in dangerous areas. Our only recourse, then, is a careful and continual study of the Word, doing everything we can to position ourselves to receive God's grace, wisdom, and Holy Spirit. Only then are we able to approach this topic with an appropriate balance. Only then can we hope to work cooperatively with God's agenda. We do know that there are instances where we are to avoid specific persons. For example, after an explanation of the need for personal sanctification, our Lord said, "Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you." (Matthew 7:6 ESV) Orthodox understanding of this verse suggests the following: Clearly these animals are metaphors for particular kinds of people. Both dogs and swine are unclean, so we can conclude that Jesus was not speaking of Christians. John Gill writes that the dogs are the angry, antagonistic unbelievers, who desire the abolition of all things Christian. The swine are only and ever concerned and consumed with sensuality. Another type of person we are to avoid are the false teachers. John wrote, "If anyone comes to you and does not bring this teaching, do not receive him into your house or give him any greeting, for whoever greets him takes part in his wicked works." (2 John 1:10-11 ESV) Clearly there are more than simply temporal consequences to our association with those who reject our King. We are also commanded to purify our local congregations (Matthew 18:15-20). Paul, discussing church discipline, fleshes this out when he explains that we are to "turn out" (i.e., excommunicate) those within the church who will not repent of their sin (1 Corinthians 5:5). At the end of that chapter he explains, "I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with sexually immoral people -- not at all meaning the sexually immoral of this world, or the greedy and swindlers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. But now I am writing to you not to associate with anyone who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of sexual immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or swindler--not even to eat with such a one." (1 Corinthians 5:9-11 ESV) Christ Himself came to serve (Mark 10:45). We are, of course, to emulate Him. We are not to try to conform men to our image, but rather to bring them before the throne. We are to minister to those suffering and groaning under burdens, shackled by sin. But if they will not enter the light, loving the darkness instead, then it is appropriate for us to leave them in the state in which we found them. In Him, Doc |
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7 | Homosexual debate at school help please | 2 Cor 4:4 | Wild Olive Shoot | 168375 | ||
Thanks Doc for your thoughts. Just to let you know where I stand, I agree with what was posted by Robin concerning what we are called to do and especially liked how Brother Tim reinforced and elaborated a bit further and as well what you have added. From my own standpoint, it seems to be such a daunting task for us to be able to disassociate the sin from the sinner. From my own perspective, within my immediate family, I arduously contend with alcoholics and their sinful addiction. It seems there are a few who can’t manage to socialize within a group unless the can throw back a few too many. I have taken such a dislike to their actions and what they inevitably lead to that there has grown resentment among us. I try fervently to disassociate what they do from who they are and my love for them, but the bitterness still grows and I personally have a hard time dealing with that. I love them to the point in which I cannot set idly by and I hate what they do to the point that I can’t. So it has been difficult, to say the least, to separate the sin from sinner as my love for them, in essence, compromises my hatred of their sin and my hatred of that sin does appear to compromise my love for them in the respect that our relationship changes. But I understand that I must continue to try and to that end, in all cases. I’ve tried to lead by example as well as speaking honestly to it in this particular case and pray they will see their error. “Love the sinner and hate the sin” is so very easily said, but much more difficult to live. Seems to me that I’m out of balance, but I am sure that I’ll be corrected. I’m praying that they’ll see the error of their way while I need to be looking at my own error as well and making the proper adjustments. “Thou hast no right, O Christian, to tolerate within thy bosom wrath, malice, anger, harshness, or uncharitableness, towards any creature that God's hands have made. When thou hatest the man's sins, thou art not to hate him, but to love the sinner, even as Christ loved sinners and came to seek and save them. When thou hatest a man's false doctrine, thou art still to love the man, and hate his doctrine even out of love to his soul, with an earnest desire that he may be reclaimed from his error, and brought into the way of truth. Thou hast no right to excrete thy hatred upon any creature, however fallen or debased, however much he may irritate thy temper, or injure thee in thy estate or reputation. Still hatred is a power of manhood, and we believe that all powers of manhood are to be exercised, and may every one of them be exercised as in the fear of God. It is possible to be angry, and yet sin not, and it is possible to hate, and yet not be guilty of sin, but be positively performing a duty. Christian man, thou mayest have hatred in thy heart, if thou wilt only allow it to run in one stream, then it shall not do mischief, but it shall even do good—"Ye that love the Lord, hate evil."“– C.H. Spurgeon “all sin is hateful to Christ, being contrary to his nature, to his will, and to his Gospel; and whatever is hateful to him should be to his people; and where grace is, sin will be hateful, both in themselves and others; and men's deeds may be hated when their persons are not; and hatred of sin is taken notice of by Christ, with a commendation,” – John Gill WOS |
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8 | Homosexual debate at school help please | 2 Cor 4:4 | DocTrinsograce | 168383 | ||
Dear Brother WOS, I fully understand... and let me assure you, my friend, that we are all "out of balance!" Your problem is not unique. Again and again we are reminded that we are in need of the Savior, are we not? Imagine how odious we must seem to Him in our depravity. Certainly, nothing that I see in the worst of sinners is beyond my own capability of doing... who knows the depth of sin in my heart? I really don't want to know! I have found, however, that if one speaks often enough of the Lord, that some of the kinds of people you mention tend to absent themselves. Those who love the darkness, tend to dislike getting near the light. I don't know if that is of any practical value to you. In the mean time, let us pray for one another as we struggle to honor our Lord in this fallen world. In Him, Doc |
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