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1 | Simple analogy to understand the Trinity | 2 Cor 13:14 | Sir Pent | 120478 | ||
My analogy of the Trinity............................................. Many people have asked me over the years about how to understand the idea of the Trinity of God. With my background in science, I have found the best example to be one of the most common molecules on Earth...H2O! Everyone is familiar with H2O, it can be a solid (ice), a liquid (water), or a gas (steam). They all three have different properties, but are still the same molecule. For instance, some forms are easier to see or touch than others. They also have different primary purposes, but are still all the same molecule. Ice keeps things cold, Water quenches our thirst, and Steam can power an engine. Similarly, the Father determines the will of the entire Trinity, Jesus restores our relationship with God, and the Holy Spirit guides and comforts us in our daily lives. Finally, they can all be in the same place at the same time. In science there is a phenomenon called the "triple point". At a certain temperature and pressure, a pure substance can be in all three forms at the same time. For scriptural and scientific support of the ideas in this post please read the first response to it (which can be found at the bottom of the screen). |
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2 | Simple analogy to understand the Trinity | 2 Cor 13:14 | Sir Pent | 120479 | ||
Support for my Trinity beliefs........................................ The Father is God. Eph 4:6 "one God and Father of all..." One of the Father's primary purposes is to determine the will of the whole Trinity. Luke 22:42 "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me (Jesus); yet not My will, but Yours be done." The Son is God. John 1:1 "...the Word (Jesus) was God", John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are one." One of the Son's primary purposes is to reconcile humanity to God. 2 Cor 5:18 "Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation". The Holy Spirit is God. Acts 5:3-4 clearly equates lying to the Holy Spirit in verse 3 with lying to God in verse 4. There is further support in 1 Cor 2:10-11. One of the Spirit's primary purposes is to guide our daily lives. John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My (Jesus) name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." Explanations of "triple points" of molecules can be found at the following web sites: http://library.thinkquest.org/C004970/states/triplep.htm http://www.tpub.com/content/doe/h1012v1/css/h1012v1_68.htm |
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3 | Simple analogy to understand the Trinity | 2 Cor 13:14 | Mary01 | 120875 | ||
Hi Sir Pant, I appreciate your interest in me. I feel that I am a logical individual when it comes to analyzing controversial issues and endeavor to go out of my way to not be swayed by illogical conclusions. Please don’t get defensive though, as I dislike offending anyone either. I’m just trying to study all the pertinent issues and draw my own conclusions. I will though respond to your inquiry. You wrote the following: Support for my Trinity beliefs........................................ The Father is God. Eph 4:6 "one God and Father of all..." One of the Father's primary purposes is to determine the will of the whole Trinity. Luke 22:42 "Father, if You are willing, remove this cup from Me (Jesus); yet not My will, but Yours be done." The Son is God. John 1:1 "...the Word (Jesus) was God", John 10:30 "I (Jesus) and the Father are one." One of the Son's primary purposes is to reconcile humanity to God. 2 Cor 5:18 "Now all these things are from God, who reconciled us to Himself through Christ and gave us the ministry of reconciliation". The Holy Spirit is God. Acts 5:3-4 clearly equates lying to the Holy Spirit in verse 3 with lying to God in verse 4. There is further support in 1 Cor 2:10-11. One of the Spirit's primary purposes is to guide our daily lives. John 14:26 "But the Helper, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in My (Jesus) name, He will teach you all things, and bring to your remembrance all that I said to you." 1) The Father is God, seems to me logical and non contradictory to other Bible passages. 2) Luke 22:42 saying that the Father’s primary purpose being to determine the will of the whole Trinity? I don’t understand what you are saying here. To me, Jesus is merely distressed over the reproach that the accusations of his opposes are bringing upon him be removed and his desiring to fulfill his Father’s will. 3) John 1:1 tells me that Jesus is God’s Word and the way the Greek was written that he was like God, a mighty spirit being. Then when it goes on and says that the Word is “with” God then tells me that logically he can’t be same God. And John 10:30 shows me that the two are one in unity, of the same mind on everything. 4) 2 Cor 5:18 tells me the same things it does to you. 5) Acts 5:3-4 I again agree with you that to me lying to God is the same as lying to the Holy Spirit but that doesn’t mean to me that that means the Holy Spirit is God otherwise Luke 12:10 wouldn‘t be logical, “And everyone that says a word against the Son of man, it will be forgiven him; but he that blasphemes against the holy spirit will not be forgiven it.” This verse tells me sinning against the Holy Sprit is unforgivable yet sinning against Jesus or the Father isn’t. 1 Cor 2:10-11 says the “spirit is “from God”, not “is” God. 6) The purpose of the Holy Spirit is to guide us to God, yes, I agree with you. I don’t see why you are seeing that that though makes the Holy Spirit out to be God himself. I see the definite unity of the three for sure. Sir Pent, as I’ve said, I’m learning and don’t pretend to know much. Yet, my favorite passages are John 17:3 and John 3:16 and I believe that if I keep an open mind and pray for God’s Holy Spirit through Jesus and work along its direction, that the truth will come my way. Thank you again for your interest in me. I feel my reasoning on the scriptures are different than yours but I feel it agrees with the Word of God and that’s all I’m interested in. I still am open to logical reasoning from both Trinitarians and those that aren’t. Mary01 |
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4 | Simple analogy to understand the Trinity | 2 Cor 13:14 | Morant61 | 120881 | ||
Greetings Maryo1! Welcome to the forum! You said of John 1:1: "John 1:1 tells me that Jesus is God’s Word and the way the Greek was written that he was like God, a mighty spirit being. Then when it goes on and says that the Word is “with” God then tells me that logically he can’t be same God." The problem with this statement is that it ignores both the syntax and the context of John 1:1. In terms of syntax, John 1 does not say that Jesus was 'God's Word'. It says the Word was God! Now, some cults have tried to twist the Greek here to make it mean what they want it to mean, but the Greek grammer is perfectly clear on this point. Secondly, it ignores the context of John 1:1. John wants people to come to a full understanding of who Jesus is. But, he cannot simply come out and say that Jesus is God, or, like at Mars Hill, the audience would simply stop listening. So, John uses a philosophical concept with which both Jews and Greeks were familiar - 'the Word'. Each group had a slightly different perspective of the 'Word', but both held it in high esteem. So, John takes the 'Word' and builds his case. First, he says that the 'Word' has always existed. Then, He says that the 'Word' was with God. Then, He says the 'Word' was God. The 'Word' created all things. Finally, he identifies the Word as Jesus - God in the flesh. The passage is very logical and very clear. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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