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1 | How to harmonize this passage | 1 Cor 14:34 | Rowdy | 109154 | ||
Again, I have to say the Bible is very, very clear on this subject. For example: Both elders and deacons are to be husbands of one wife. In other scriptures women are commanded not to ursup the authority of the leaders of the church. The scripture about women approaching their husbands for questions has been cited previously. Over and over again, God's Word is very clear on this point. The church's relationship to Christ as head is compared to the marriage relationship between a man and woman. I hate to beat a dead horse but this matter boils down to a simple matter of whether or not we are obeying God or not. Peter and John asked that same question of their court officials in Jerusalem 2,000 years ago. Each man must answer that same question every day all of us get out of our beds in the morning. This day, when it comes down to a choice between the two, will I (all of us) obey the commands of God or men? Please don't get me wrong. I'm not advocating blind obedience to something that goes against the laws of nature. We must study the scriptures with an open mind and an open heart. When we approach God's Word with respect and a determination to obey, we have to be submissive to His pattern. That's why I think it's so important to study the OT. It informs us that God did set a pattern for almost everything but He wants us to grow up and see beyond our simple, blind obedience to His dictates. He wants us to trust Him enough to know that His patterns were put into His Word for our benefit. If we follow His patterns, our world works better, just like our automobiles work better when we follow the manual and install parts in accorance with their guidance. It is a simple matter of form following function. Generally, things (especially in God's world, heaven and His church) function better for the long term when we abide with God's Perfect Maintenance Manual for us as humans. I'd be interested in seeing a response from you and all others, addressing each of the points I have cited above. I would welcome comments or questions from anyone in your congregation. How can we justify outright disobedience to God Almighty and hope to meet Him in Judgement? Please advise. |
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2 | How to harmonize this passage | 1 Cor 14:34 | stjones | 109160 | ||
Hi, Rowdy; I hate to quote myself, but I can't make my dilemma any clearer than this: If God's word teaches that we are one in Christ, that in Christ there is no male nor female, that we live under grace and not under the Law, then I want to be very careful about telling my sister in Christ that that those things don't apply to her as they do me because there's a fragment of the Law still in force that says I can talk and she can't. I'm not convinced it is obedient to the whole of God's word to silence a person because of gender when God's word clearly states that "in Christ", there is no gender (Galatians 3:28, Colossians 3:11 expresses a similar idea). We're not talking about marriage which is a relationship between two based on gender. We're talking about the relationship of one member of the body to another and to the body as a whole. Neither male nor female is the head because Christ is the head (Colossians 1:18). To be completely honest, these words sound like Saul the Pharisee: "They are not allowed to speak, but must be in submission, as the Law says" (1 Corinthians 14:34). If there is another passage where Paul says that a believer under grace is still bound by the Law, I'd like someone to show it to me. My original question was how to harmonize this Saul-like passage with the rest of Paul's letters. Your response has been to "just do it". Sorry, but no. You can accuse me "outright disobedience" if you like. Perhaps it is "outright disobedience" to pick an isolated passage that replaces grace with the Law and use it to silence one's equals. Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones |
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3 | How to harmonize this passage | 1 Cor 14:34 | Rowdy | 109169 | ||
Please believe I mean no malice or disrespect. Maybe I'm a bit harsh but I was just trying to make a point. I think there's room for discussion but I must emphasize that the scriptures I've seen so far haven't given any support to the idea that women are allowed equal standing in the church with men. I realize this may not be policitically correct for our time but the Bible rarely is, especially when taken in its total. Thus we have the straight and narrow road compared to the broad way for the bulk of the world. I would like to urge you to continue studying God's word. I do think we CAN definitely comply with all of God's Word. I've already expressed my perplexity with the passage in Hebrews but I don't think it nor any of the other scriptures mentioned mean for women to take up that same standing, equal to the men in the church. But as I've mentioned, the women are definitely allowed to make their thoughts and wishes known through proper channels. Just as in the military, court system or any other system put together by human beings, God and His children MUST follow His protocals. I'll try to wrap up this discussion, at least from my perspective with this. I think the NT overall is laced with an absolute bare minimum BUT ESSENTIAL restrictions. That's part of the Lord's desire I referred to earlier. He wants us to grow up and realize most of His guidance can be inferred from the general guidance He's given throughout the Bible. Basically, we are to follow the examples we're given in His Son and His official representatives, the Apostles. God bless in your continued efforts. My praryers are on your side. Still anxiously waiting for anyone else to respond. |
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4 | How to harmonize this passage | 1 Cor 14:34 | stjones | 109176 | ||
Hi, Rowdy; I think we're both trying to make our points - more accurately, I think we're both trying to explain the points we see made in Scripture. No malice assumed or intended. You said: "the scriptures I've seen so far haven't given any support to the idea that women are allowed equal standing in the church with men." To which I reply: "all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus" (Galations 3:27-28) You said: "Still anxiously waiting for anyone else to respond." To which I reply: "Amen, brother!" Peace and grace, Steve aka Indiana Jones who, sadly, now has to go to work.... |
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