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1 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | stjohn | 203950 | ||
Hi Tamara: WOW! I hope you are not offended by this, but really, my dear Sister, I can hardly believe you are making such a big issue, and taking so much time and space on the forum, of the question of wearing or not wearing a hat! If you think you should wear a hat, wear hat, and God bless you. I know there are many wonderful ladies that are lovely children of God, hatted or not, but I would suppose according to that which you espouse, all you Christian women, when the rapture comes, y'all better grab for your hats! :-) God bless John P.S. sorry for no scriptural references, so here is one to ponder. 1 Cor 6:12 All things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable. All things are lawful for me, but I will not be mastered by anything. |
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2 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | Tamara Brewington | 203968 | ||
Say John the length of my questions have little to do with how important they might be and everything to do with the considerations of text that are driving the need for the question... As far as I knew we were all engaged in theology in one form or another because we are all engaged in here in a discourse about God, which is what theology is... I have a tendency to let the scriptures outline the question in an attempt to let things trickle from the top down rather than try to drive my understanding from what society is currently willing to do which is driving things from the bottom up. So in light of that am I realy taking up so much precious space on this forum? I thought there was lots and lots of space and time out here in web site world, page after page... Yeah all things are lawful for me, but not all things are profitable... I am starting to believe not many people in here actualy intend to wrestle very much with the scriptures in here... I am also getting the impression that people don't always appreciate a well though out point because it is just too darn long... What has all things being lawful got to do with a moral issue, which wearing hats was to Paul, but no longer is to Christians? Just a thought my dear brother in Christ...Tamara | ||||||
3 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | stjohn | 204015 | ||
Dear Tamara: I’ve not been here at the forum all that long, indeed, I’m rather a newcomer. But I have noticed that most all the regulars seem to try to keep their questions answers and notes somewhat concise, (short) and comprehensive, (to the point and understandable) this seems to be the normative practice of convention. I’m not saying it’s a rule, of course, but it seems to be the polite thing to do. I’m sorry if you are (and you seem to be) offended by my reference to the length of your post, I’m sorry but almost all of your posts are long, and forgive my frankness but it is hard to keep someone’s attention when, as you said yourself, they are just too darn long. Now, your original question was: Should women wear hats? Well, here’s the verse: 1 Cor 11:5 But every woman who has her head uncovered while praying or prophesying disgraces her head, for she is one and the same as the woman whose head is shaved. OK since you apparently feel it necessary to be pedantic about the issue of wearing or not wearing a hat, consider this. Paul says, “ While praying or prophesying” My question for you is. Do you, when you sit down to a meal and say grace (praying) do you make sure that you are wearing a hat? Or even when privately speaking to the Lord (praying, do you wear a hat? And, as an outspoken women (you seem to be) and seemingly one who is not ashamed of the gospel. Do you always wear a hat when sharing or discussing scripture (in a broad sense but nonetheless considered prophesying) and when you sit down to your computer to share and teach here at the forum: do you wear a hat? It is also a convention here at the forum, and by the way mandated by our gracious host, The Lockman Foundation, to use scripture references when posting notes and answers, something that with all your verbiage, you have glaringly failed to do. (at least for the most part) Please do so in the future. THIS IS NOT A CHAT ROOM The call, indeed the motto here at the forum is, Sola Scriptura! So please Keep that in mind when posting hear at the forum. You can familiarize yourself with the terms and conditions by clicking on, "Terms of Use." at the top of the home page. Please do so. Now, my dear Tamara, if you really think it so important to be pedantic, then, how about these scriptures. 1 Tim 2:11-14 A woman must quietly receive instruction with entire submissiveness. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but to remain quiet. For it was Adam who was first created, and then Eve. And it was not Adam who was deceived, but the woman being deceived, fell into transgression. How are you doing with that one? I hope you can see my point my Sister, we can sure get bogged down with trying to keep rules that are just an external view of who we really are, and God don’t give a hoot about what we look like on the outside, but cares ever so much and ever so deeply about what we look on the inside. “The sacrifices of God are a broken spirit; A broken and a contrite heart, O God, You will not despise.” Ps 51:17 I'll let you have the last word on this matter, If you feel it necessary to keeping this going, but I'm hanging my proverbial hat on the rack! :-) I really cant see how this is substantively efficacious for building up the Body of Christ. We can go on and on until it all seems quite superfluous. Shalom and God bless John |
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4 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | Tamara Brewington | 204025 | ||
Dear John, I have repeatedly tried to attach the scriptures by going up to where it says in two different drop downs to do so. Every time I do my screen snaps out, even though I have not clicked go and I lose my page and have to redo the whole thing. So perhaps you could be so kind as to instruct me how to better use this feature, please.. I would not like to have the last word John, and I don't think this is a chat room. All my long questions have everything to do with putting the scriptures in context with my question and are not intended to take up space or to chat. What I have been consistently looking for is a chance to learn from someone else the answers to my questions, if there are any answers. What has consistently been happening is that I have been getting replies that are not being backed up with scriptures, which goes back to your point, that this is not a chat room, but is a forum for Bible study. And that is exactly, if you were to go back through each and every question that I have asked I have used this site for. And even though I was not able to sucsessfully attach a scripture, I have included in each and every questions the scripture and sometimes scripture in question. And to my knowledge some of my notes in reply are about as long as my questions and part of why is I am quoting the scriptures in them and exploring them in my answers... I actually do wear a hat all the time, I gave up wearing a bed hat, because obviously I can't possibly be praying or prophesying while asleep. Please laugh with me, I had to laugh at myself John... Obviously in I Corinthians 11:5 Paul is talking about women participating in the churh out loud in the congregation. Especially if you consider that they were prophesying, that wasn't silent. I am aware of the passage where Paul is telling the ultra-spiritual women to shut up and sit down because they were causing a disturbance in the congregational worship. Consider this passage with me about whether or not Paul had female ministers, not Pastors, but ministers; Romans 16:1 I commend to you our sister Phoebe, who is a servant of the church which is at Cenchrea, that you receive her in the Lord in a manner worthy of the saints, and that you help her in whatever matter she may have need of you; for she herself has also been a helper of many, and of myself as well. Ok, note the word diakonos, there are many other times this word is used in the NT and in a lot of cases it is translated minister instead of servant(we all know a minister is a servant), but the translators decided, in harmony with the scriputre you mentioned because Phoebe was a woman, to say servant. However, the word there is in the masculine referring to a female and Paul did not make a mistake and he tells the church that when she arrives to give her whatever she needs. Now, it can't be that Paul was merely talking about housing and food, because he says she was working with him in ministry and he calls her a minister, there is no way to get around it she was a minister. Albeit she was working under the authority of Paul, a man, in keeping with the concept of headship, she was not an overseer like Timothy. Consider another one with me; Acts 18:24-26 where Priscilla and Aquilla were both teaching Apollos together. Although Priscilla was teaching Apollos under the authority of her husband Aquilla, she was indeed teaching. Also interesting is that Paul consistently lists Priscilla first whereever he speaks of this husband and wife team, he may have had a reason to do so. Last, but not as important, God made Deborah a judge over Israel with full authority, rule and rights over all of Israel including the men and they all followed her, an acception to the norm for then, I grant you. Do you see what I tried to do here as I have cosisitently done? I keep on presenting either a question based on the text I cite or quote, or a reply based on a text I cite or quote. This is not chat, it is Bible study and I believe the intent, if not the content is within the guidelines set forth in this site. I am sorry you are so offended that my questions, and maybe my answers seem to darn long. I tried to be concise, some of the questions were not simple, life situations may seem simple, but I am asking about the scriptures that attend to those situations and am interested in what the Bible has to say as to the over arching principle of a thing. And my concern about hats is not pendantic about an outward show of conformity, it is about an inward desire to be obedient to God in all things as He is the ultimate head of the church. I hope I am still teachable to you. God bless you John as you continue to teach... You sister in Christ, Tamara |
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5 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | Val | 204091 | ||
Tamara, something that some of us do is use a word processing program such as Word to compose our questions and answers. Then we can be more concise and eliminate unnecessary sentences. When we are pleased with our answer or question then it can be copied to the forum. Also you can include your scriptures in your document as well in the Word program. You are not rushed to enter the information but can work at a more relaxed and focused pace. I appreciate your sincerity but I must agree with John that your long thoughts are hard to follow. Any help from you would be appreciated. Welcome to the forum. Val | ||||||
6 | Should Women Wear Hats? | 1 Cor 11:4 | Tamara Brewington | 204116 | ||
Thanks Val. God Bless, Tamara | ||||||