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1 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | Wanzala | 164869 | ||
What do you say about predestination in relation to this verse | ||||||
2 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | ebrain | 164900 | ||
Romans 8:29, tells you that Devine Predestination is acording to God's foreknowledge, but He does not reveal just what it is that He foreknows. No one can respond positivly to the Gospel message, without first being "regenerated" by the Lord, but why it is this one, and not that one, I don't know, and what's more neither does anyone else. One thing you can be sure of is that the judge of all the earth will do right, in fact He is incapable of doing anything other than what is right, and just. |
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3 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | atdcross | 164952 | ||
To say that one must be "born again" before he can believe seems to be inconsistent, at least to me, with what the Bible explicitly states: "that whosoever believes...should have eternal life." (Jn 3:16; cf. 1 Jn 5:1). | ||||||
4 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | ebrain | 164987 | ||
My understanding of 1 John 5:1, is that everyone who believes that Jesus is the Christ, has been born again, in other words, one has to be born again in order to believe. I do not see how any other interpritation is possible. John 3:16, is probably the most well known of all verses in the Bible, now please tell me how many converts do you think there would be if you were to quote this verse to a crowd of lets say 100 non christians? More later, must close now. In Him. Edwin. |
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5 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | Morant61 | 164988 | ||
Greetings Edwin! I can't say for sure how many would come to Christ out of a crowd of 100, but I quoted John 3:16, and verses like it, to a crowd of 30 VBS kids and 13 came to Christ. I can say for certain that God would be drawing each of the 100 since John 12:32 tells us: " But I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to myself." Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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6 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | ebrain | 164995 | ||
All in this verse menas all without distinction, and not all without exception, in other words all kinds, or sorts of people, not everybody. If it ment everybody, then it would make nonsence of John 6 vs 44 and 65. Continuing now with my last post. John 3:16, and the first 8 verses of this Chapter are better understood against the background of the following verses. 1 Cor 2:14, Matt 19:25-26, and Matt 16:16-18. "Born again" is a spiritual concept, and as 1 Cor 2:14, indicates spiritual things have to be spiritually discerned, and the unconverted are spiritually dead, and cannot understand them. This leads to the problem that humans have as expressed at Mat 19:25, "How then can any flesh be saved", our Lord assures them "That with men it is impossible, but that with God all things are possible". An explanation of just how God does this is illustrated at Matt 16:16-18, where Jesus makes it quite clear that Perer was only able to say "You are the Christ, the Son of the livind God" as a result of direct Devine intervention, and not as a result of "flesh and blood", i.e. human ability. In John Ch 3 Jesus is talking about two kinds of life, physical life, and spiritual life, and the method by which you get into each one, i.e. by birth. Now how did you get into the physical world, well by birth of course, and how much contribution did you make to your physical birth?, non whatsoever, you owe your existance entirly to the activity of your human father. Strange though it may seem your entry into the spiritual world is also by birth, and again you are not able to make any contribution to it, this time it is due entirely to the activity of the one who thereby becomes your Heavenly Father. This is your second birth, the first time you were born of woman, the second time, you are born from above, born of God, and now that you are living in the spiritual world, you can understand for the first time spiritual things, and are able to receive Jesus as your Saviour. To be continued. God bless you all. Edwin Brain. |
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7 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | Morant61 | 165002 | ||
Greetings Edwin! Why would John 12:32 make nonsense of John 6:44 and John 6:65 if 'all' actually means 'all'? It makes perfect sense in accordance with all of Scripture. Rom. 3:23 tells us that all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. 2 Peter 3:9 tells us that God doesn't want anyone to perish but all to come to repentance. Yet, John 6:44 tells us that no one can come unless drawn. So, according to John 12:32, Christ draws all men, in accordance with His desire of 2 Peter 3:9. It only dosn't make sense if one insists that God doesn't really want all to be saved. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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8 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | DocTrinsograce | 165004 | ||
Dear Tim, I can't seem to get anything out of what you are saying except universalism. (That 2 Peter 3:9 cog sure is important to your argument. Let's hope that you and Wesley have it right, lest the house of cards all come tumbling down! That's what's tough about building doctrines on linchpin verses.) So, if we discard universalism... as I believe you do -- lets take it as a given since I've never been able to wrap my mind around your argument on this point -- then we are left with the question: Why, then, are some men never saved? In Him, Doc |
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9 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | Morant61 | 165005 | ||
Greetings Doc! Without getting into a long discussion, the short answer to your question is found in John 3:36: "Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life, but whoever rejects the Son will not see life, for God’s wrath remains on him." Those who are drawn and 'believe' will receive eternal life. Those who don't believe will not be saved. Unless, you are assuming that all who are 'drawn' will believe, in which case, you would have to provide a Scripture reference which states that this is the case. I look up every verse where 'drawn' is used, and none of them say any such thing. :-) Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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10 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | DocTrinsograce | 165012 | ||
Dear Tim, Correct me if I am mistaken: You believe that God draws every single human being. However, this universal drawing is not effectual. Those drawn are required to add the additional essential ingredient of their belief for the drawing to be effectual. If they are successful at mustering up from within themselves the necessary belief, only then will it actually result in salvation. God's drawing is a work He does alone by His own free will. Man's belief is a work He does alone by his own free will. God's drawing work in cooperation with man's belief work accomplishes salvation. I'm not trying to lay any booby-traps here. I need to be able to state these beliefs well if I am to grasp them. Please correct me if I've mistated your teaching. In Him, Doc |
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11 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | Morant61 | 165019 | ||
Greetings Doc! Allow me to touch upon your points and questions. 1) Drawing effectual? There is not a single verse that states that those who are drawn will in fact believe. So, if by 'effectual' you mean that everyone drawn will believe, I would say that it is not 'effectual'. But, I would not call His drawing 'ineffectual' either. :-) 2) Yes, I believe that He draws every single human being, since this is what John 12:32 says. 3) You wrote: "God's drawing is a work He does alone by His own free will. Man's belief is a work He does alone by his own free will. God's drawing work in cooperation with man's belief work accomplishes salvation." I would not state it in quite this way. God alone accomplishes salvation, not man's belief. The best analogy that I can use is the analogy of a gift. A gift must be received, but the reception of the gift does not effect the gift itself in any way. The gift of God is salvation. He did everything. He offers it to us freely. We can accept it or reject it. Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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12 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | Searcher56 | 165023 | ||
Is predistination part of the Calvinism/Arminianism debate? If so stop discussing it here. | ||||||
13 | explain the doctrine of predistination | Rom 9:13 | ebrain | 165035 | ||
Predestination, or their understanding of it is indeed part of Calvinist Teaching, that however is not the point. If you are saying that Calvinism/Arminianism is not to be discussed on this website, then I agree with you wholehartedly, however, Predestination/Election is a Biblical Doctrine, and I see no reason why it should not be discussed here. |
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