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1 | Ques. re the Carnal Christian Teaching | Rom 7:14 | Radioman2 | 92042 | ||
Questions re Carnal Christian Teaching ____________________ "Since all Christians have remaining sin in them and since they sin every day, how much sin, or, what particular sins classify a person as a carnal Christian?" ____________________ 'Questions Raised by the Carnal Christian Teaching' '1. Are we sanctified passively, that is, by faith without the deeds of the law? (Note: I did not say justified but sanctified.) If sanctification is passive--a kind of "let go and let God"--then where do we place the apostolic admonitions in the New Testament such as, "I fight," "I run," "I keep under my body," "let us cleanse ourselves," "let us labour," "let us lay aside every weight"? None of these are passive expressions nor do they express some single act as the experience of victory or some single experience as the means of becoming more spiritual and mature. '2. Does not appealing to the so-called carnal Christian to become a spiritual Christian depreciate the real conversion experience by over-appreciating the second experience by whatever name it may be called (which is variously designated higher life, deeper life, spirit filled life, triumphant living, making Christ Lord not just Savior, etc.)? "Therefore, if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new" (2 Cor. 5:17). This passage is not talking about a second experience but rather about what happens in a real conversion experience. 'Has the spiritual Christian finished growing in grace? If not, what is he to be called, as he continues to grow in grace? Do we make still more unbiblical categories, such as, "spiritual, spiritual Christian" or "super spiritual Christian"? '3. Who is to decide who the carnal Christians are and exactly what standard is to be used in determining this? Do the spiritual Christians decide who the carnal Christians are? Does a church or preacher decide where the line is to be drawn that divides the two classes or categories? Would you like the responsibility of dividing the members of your church into unsaved, carnal Christian, spiritual? Since all Christians have remaining sin in them and since they sin every day, how much sin, or, what particular sins classify a person as a carnal Christian? '4. Do not all Christians act like natural men at times in some area of their lives? '5. Do not the inward sins, such as, envy, malice, covetousness, lasciviousness (which included immorality on the mental level) prove that a person is carnal just as much as some outward manifestation of external sins? '6. How much sin can a spiritual Christian commit and still be in the spiritual category? '7. Does the Christian go back and forth from spiritual to carnal and carnal to spiritual? How often can this changing of categories take place? '8. When and how does a carnal Christian become a spiritual Christian? '9. Are there different degrees of carnality and different degrees of sanctification in the so-called spiritual Christians? 'If some of these questions seem a bit ridiculous it is because they are raised by an unbiblical, ridiculous teaching.' ____________________ The Lordship Controversy and the Carnal Christian Teaching (Part 2) Ernest Reisinger (To whom it may concern: Please do not ask me to explain what Reisinger means. Let Reisinger explain what Reisinger means. To read more go to: (http://www.founders.org/FJ17/article2.html)) |
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2 | Ques. re the Carnal Christian Teaching | Rom 7:14 | Pastor Glenn | 92049 | ||
Radioman2, Notice the opening of this article: "...The "Carnal Christian" teaching is primarily based on an erroneous interpretation of a single passage of Scripture (1 Cor. 3:1-4). " This is not true. By performing a bible search using the words "babe" and "milk" we get the following: 1 Corinthians 3:2 I fed you with milk and not with solid food; for until now you were not able to receive it, and even now you are still not able; Hebrews 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. Hebrews 5:13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 1 Peter 2:2 as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby, He did not even mention the other scriptures. This indicates that the author did not do his homework before publishing his article. Pastor Glenn |
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3 | Ques. re the Carnal Christian Teaching | Rom 7:14 | Radioman2 | 92050 | ||
Pastor Glenn: This is in no way intended as a criticism of you or your Note. I thank you for your reply. But consider the following: I have quoted but a few paragraphs from a 2-part article. Unless you have read the entire article, how would you know that the author did not do his homework before publishing his article? Let Reisinger explain what Reisinger means. To read more go to: (http://www.founders.org/FJ17/article2.html) Grace to you, Radioman2 |
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4 | Ques. re the Carnal Christian Teaching | Rom 7:14 | Pastor Glenn | 92054 | ||
Radioman2, This is in no way intended as a criticism of you or your Note either; only of what appears to be an incomplete article. By the way, I noticed your disclaimer. I do not see a reference to these scriptures in his article: Hebrews 5:12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. Hebrews 5:13 For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 1 Peter 2:2 as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby, Before making such a long article, most bible teachers try to locate as much scripture as possible concerning a subject. I just cannot understand why he did not even mention these other scriptures when most reference bibles cross references them together. I went back to check both pages, but I do not see Heb 5:12-13 or 1 Pet 2:2 anywhere. Am I wrong? I can accept correction. Pastor Glenn |
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5 | Ques. re the Carnal Christian Teaching | Rom 7:14 | Radioman2 | 92057 | ||
Other than checking both pages (the article itself?) for "these other scriptures," did you actually read the text of the article to find out what he was saying? What about his many other points? Does the omission of "these other scriptures" invalidate all his other points, too? |
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6 | Ques. re the Carnal Christian Teaching | Rom 7:14 | Pastor Glenn | 92062 | ||
Look closely at these scriptures: Heb 5 12 For though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you again the first principles of the oracles of God; and you have come to need milk and not solid food. 13For everyone who partakes only of milk is unskilled in the word of righteousness, for he is a babe. 14But solid food belongs to those who are of full age, that is, those who by reason of use have their senses exercised to discern both good and evil. 1 Peter 2 1 Therefore, laying aside all malice, all deceit, hypocrisy, envy, and all evil speaking, 2as newborn babes, desire the pure milk of the word, that you may grow thereby,[1] 3if indeed you have tasted that the Lord is gracious. He built his entire article on the idea of "carnal Christians" is a false teaching. In addition to Heb 5 and 1 Pet 2, Jesus teaches Peter to feed His "sheep", as well as, His "lambs": John 21 15 So when they had eaten breakfast, Jesus said to Simon Peter, "Simon, son of Jonah,[2] do you love Me more than these?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Feed My lambs." 16He said to him again a second time, "Simon, son of Jonah,[3] do you love Me?" He said to Him, "Yes, Lord; You know that I love You." He said to him, "Tend My sheep." 17He said to him the third time, "Simon, son of Jonah,[4] do you love Me?" Peter was grieved because He said to him the third time, "Do you love Me?" And he said to Him, "Lord, You know all things; You know that I love You." Jesus said to him, "Feed My sheep. Notice: verse 15 "Feed My lambs." verse 16 "Tend My sheep." verse 17 "Feed My sheep. " Does'nt this indicate "babes" (lambs) and "spiritual" (sheep) also? You ask: "Does the omission of "these other scriptures" invalidate all his other points, too?" No, but it appears that he should have found another statement other than the alleged false teaching of "carnal Christians" or "babes" to build the points of his argument on. Because otherwise why would there be scriptures pertaining to spiritual growth? |
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7 | Ques. re the Carnal Christian Teaching | Rom 7:14 | Radioman2 | 92063 | ||
Other than checking both pages (the article itself?) for "these other scriptures," did you actually read the text of the article to find out what he was saying? |
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8 | Ques. re the Carnal Christian Teaching | Rom 7:14 | Pastor Glenn | 92067 | ||
No, I had not read the text of the article. I only skimmed through it. So here is some of what it says: "Consequently, if it can be established that the preponderance of Scripture teaches only two classes or categories of men--regenerate and unregenerate, converted and unconverted, those in Christ and those outside of Christ--the non-lordship position will be shown to be untenable. Before I turn to some of the errors and dangers of the "'Carnal Christian" teaching it may be wise to indicate what I am not saying. In this study of the "Carnal Christian" theory I am not overlooking the teaching of the Bible about sin in Christians, about babes in Christ, about growth in grace, about Christians who backslide grievously, and about the divine chastisement which Christians receive. I acknowledge that there are babes in Christ. In fact there are not only babes in Christ, but there are different stages of "babyhood" in understanding divine truth and in spiritual growth. I also recognize that there is a sense in which Christians may be said to be carnal, but I must add that there are different degrees of carnality. Every Christian is carnal in some area of his life at many times in his life--"the flesh lusteth against the Spirit" (Gal. 5:17). All the marks of Christianity are not equally apparent in all Christians. Nor are any of these marks manifest to the same degree in every period of any Christian's life. Love, faith, obedience, and devotion will vary in the same Christian in different periods of his Christian experience; in other words, there are many degrees of sanctification. The Christian's progress in growth is not constant and undisturbed. There are many hills and valleys in the process of sanctification; and there are many stumblings, falls and crooked steps in the pathway to the Celestial City. There are examples in the Bible of grievous falls and carnality in the lives of true believers. Thus we have the warnings of temporal judgment and of chastisement by our heavenly Father. These truths are all acknowledged and are not the point of this present study. The question we have to consider is: Does the Bible divide Christians into two categories? This is the issue at the heart of the "Carnal Christian" teaching. " So he mention different stages of "babyhood". Is he contradicting himself? I still say that he would have done a better job by including and analyzing the other scriptures that deal with babes, milk, lambs, and sheep. |
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