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NASB | Romans 7:14 ¶ For we know that the Law is spiritual, but I am of flesh, sold into bondage to sin. |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Romans 7:14 ¶ We know that the Law is spiritual, but I am a creature of the flesh [worldly, self-reliant--carnal and unspiritual], sold into slavery to sin [and serving under its control]. |
Subject: carnal Christian? |
Bible Note: Radioman Thank you for your response and thougths on my question. First I will address your questions. you asked; 1) "when a believer is not spiritual, he is carnal, is he not?" (To that I would say yes) 2) "When a believer is not walking by the Spirit, then it must be that he is governed by human nature (the mind of the flesh, the carnal mind). When this occurs, is he not carnal?" (To this I would answer yes) I did a search in 1 Cor. 3:1-5 where it talks about those who were acting "carnal" or "unspiritual" 1 Cor. 3:1- 5 (KJV) And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men? For while one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos, but ministers by whom ye believed, even as the Lord gave to every man? Considering the rendering and wording of different versions, one can, and is able to draw various conclusions. Let me quote sections of the above text as it is found in various translations and then finish with what conclusions could possibly be drawn. "my brothers, I could not talk to you as I talk to people who have the Spirit; I had to talk to you as though you belonged to this world, as children in the Christian faith." 1 Cor. 3:1 TEV "We are simply God's servants, by whom you were led to believe." 1 Cor. 3:5 TEV "aren't you acting like those who are not Christians?" 1 Cor. 3:4 NLT "you are not yet spiritual. You are jealous and argue with each other. This proves that you are not spiritual" 1 Cor. 3:3 CEV "you are still unspiritual" "are you not plainly unspiritual?" "you came to believe" J.B. Phillips New Testament "you are still only baby Christians, controlled by your own desires, not God's" 1 Cor. 3:3 The Living Bible paraphrase If you were to take these quotes from the above translations, one can conclude that: 1) Those spoken of had come to believe 2) Those spoken of were acting like those who don't believe, being controlled by their flesh rather than by God's Spirit. (It may be possible that, those mentioned here, are experiencing a war. The old nature, and the new nature competing against each other, and it appears at the writting of this text that the new believers are allowing the old sinful nature to be in control. 3) Even though it is mentioned that those spoken of had been led to believe, at the same time it is also said they were unspiritual. 4) Those mentioned are called "baby Christians" which would definitely indicate that were unmature in their new-found faith So can I state and affirm that there truly is such a thing as a "carnal Christian?" Do these two words go hand-in-hand? I'm not sure, thats why I asked this forum for their input on this. In the perfect sense I would prefer to believe that there is no such thing as a "carnal Christian" but in reality, and according to God's word is there a group of people who could be labeled as such? Grace be unto you also New Creature |