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1 | What is the new self? | Rom 4:6 | Reformer Joe | 52911 | ||
"Then you are striving to become more perfect than Heb 10:14 says you are. More power to ya, bro. You are going to need it." You keep on assuming that you are right in your interpretation of Hebrews 10:14. You aren't. I have already adressed both 1 Thess 5:23 and Ephesians 4:24. You repreating yourself contributes nothing to this discussion. Why don't you address what I wrote before instead of going in circles? You do not become more right the more times you say precisely the same thing. The old nature is one that was depraved and totally bent against God's law. Incapable of submitting to God's law. Totally depraved. The new nature is one that is disposed toward obeying God, and destined for glory. It is not perfect, but becoming so, by the power of the Holy Spirit's work of sanctification. Please explain in detail how the Greek stipulates a one-time act, not that it supports your point that we are already that new self and therefore should have no need to "put it on." --Joe! |
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2 | What is the new self? | Rom 4:6 | ChristLifer2001 | 52912 | ||
Joe, The only thing that you said about Eph 4:24 is this: 2. The new self is to be put on, which assumes that it hasn't been already. I am left to conclude then that you think that the new self gets put on when we die. The greek supports that this is a one-time act, not a process of sanctification. Seems funny that Paul would tell us to do this one time act but we have no choice over when we do it. Why would Paul tell us to do something that we cannot do? If it is a one-time act that we put on the new self sometime during our physical life, when do we do this? When we become righteous and holy enough? You still have not addressed my questions concerning this verse. Do you agree that the new self is created (not being created) in God's likeness and that it is righteous and holy? Your bro, ChristLifer2001 |
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3 | What is the new self? | Rom 4:6 | Reformer Joe | 52922 | ||
"I am left to conclude then that you think that the new self gets put on when we die." On what do you base that conclusion? I said that the "new self" is something that Christians are to put on, which means that it is not our present nature. We are in tension in this life between the "old self" and our "new self." The old self constantly needs to be put away. Look at the characteristics of the old self. I do not know how long it has been since God has called you to himself, but I would imagine that some of those aspects of the "old self" rear their ugly heads in your life like they do mine. Likewise, have either of us completely put on the "new self" as Paul describes it here? We certainly see some of the characteristics described in Ephesians 4 as characteristic of our new lives, but we have not completely burned the old garments. Notice also that the old self is something that is cast off and the new self is something that is put on. However, a new creature is what we ARE. See the difference here? The new creature that we are initially fits in the old clothes as well as the new ones, but as God gradually renews our mind and wills (Romans 12:1-2), we like the new threads a lot more and more. We gradually become in practice what God has declared us to be because of Christ. In other words, God DECLARES us righteous and then gradually MAKES us righteous (initial justification which initiates lifelong sanctification). --Joe! |
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