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1 | How does the above relate to serving | Rom 1:1 | stjohn | 189977 | ||
Hi Steve, Here is a quote from my original answer. "If this person is not willing to resolve the sinful situation that they are in, and someone has confronted them, and then if two, or more have confronted them, and they refuse to acknowledge their sin, and repent of it, then you should treat that as you would a tax collector, and that means to shun them." Here are the verses you gave me. Matt 18:15-18 "If your brother sins, go and show him his fault in private; if he listens to you, you have won your brother. "But if he does not listen to you, take one or two more with you, so that BY THE MOUTH OF TWO OR THREE WITNESSES EVERY FACT MAY BE CONFIRMED."If he refuses to listen to them, tell it to the church; and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector. I don't see were we disagree? do we ? it's still not clear. If it's in regards to giving them another job to do, perhaps I was not clear on that. I didn't mean that they should be 'appointed' or 'reassigned' to another position, but if they still wanted to serve in some way, they could be given some menial job, but as long as the situation did not change I would not let them have a prominent position. Probably Im being too lenient, as this would not completely fall in line with verse 17 "and if he refuses to listen even to the church, let him be to you as a Gentile and a tax collector." In that day they did not associate with gentiles or tax collectors at all, as it was not yet the age of the church. In regard to gifts, certainly you are not saying that someone who has a gift of preaching or teaching, and is in adultery and it is known, that they should be aloud to continue? Matthew 18:15-17 seems to disagree with your statement, "It is not mankind's place to change that or reassign the gift. In other words, it is not biblical for us to remove a brother or sister from one place to another place in the body of Christ." Verse 17 makes it clear that they should not be 'reassigned' but basically put out, entirely. Is that what you are saying? if so, I'd have to say Biblically you are right, and I am being too lenient. God bless. John |
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2 | How does the above relate to serving | Rom 1:1 | humbledbyhisgrace | 189978 | ||
Morning stjohn, Yes, the problem is in regards to giving them another job to do. In my opinion, there is no "menial job" in the body of Christ. After all, each member has been gifted to serve in the body and each one serves the King of Kings. No one gifts themselves and it is not our place to gift the members of the body. But God Himself pours out His grace on us and places us in the body where He desires (Ephesians 4:7, 1 Corinthians 12:18). The view from scripture clearly places importance on each member of the body as should we (1 Corinthians 12:18-27 and Ephesians 4:15-16) You said "In regard to gifts, certainly you are not saying that someone who has a gift of preaching or teaching, and is in adultery and it is known, that they should be aloud to continue? Matthew 18:15-17 seems to disagree with your statement" Absolutely I am not saying that! That contradicts everything I have said. Sorry if I have not been clear. Steve |
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3 | How does the above relate to serving | Rom 1:1 | stjohn | 189988 | ||
Amen! and Amen! :-) Thanks Steve! I was beginning to think we were reading different books! hahaha... Sorry. Next time I'll try to answer a question without adding every possible scenario, again sorry, I was at fault for that. I was just thinking, Well, If you shun them, and they still want to hang around, and want a job to do, I just thought, well, what if.... But "what if" questions are not very good ones, they just seem to muddy the water. thanks for taking time, and clearing it up brother Steve....;-) By the way, I don't put less importance on menial jobs, I've done my share of cleaning up around baby's, and grand baby's, nothing more important then keeping a safe clean environment for the ones we love ;-) God bless you Steve. John |
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