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1 | when a I saved and when baptised | Rom 10:9 | Aspiring Overseer | 189485 | ||
Steve, Thank you for an excellent post. Some folks may be confused by John’s baptism versus Christian baptism so I have taken the liberty to expand slightly on your work. Though John 1:33 and Matthew 21:25 refer to John's baptism, which has been supplanted, Christian baptism is unquestionably a commandment of God and must be obeyed for salvation. I have listed some of the verses here for easier following. God sent John to baptize and thereby establish its precedent. John the Baptist said, John 1:33 33 "And I did not recognize Him, but He who sent me to baptize in water said to me, 'He upon whom you see the Spirit descending and remaining upon Him, this is the one who baptizes in the Holy Spirit.' NAS Jesus confirmed John’s action was commanded by God. While not the same as Christian baptism, it foreshadowed its arrival. Matthew 21:25 25 "The baptism of John was from what source, from heaven or from men?" And they began reasoning among themselves, saying, "If we say, 'From heaven,' He will say to us, 'Then why did you not believe him?' NAS The Lord commands his disciples to baptize. Although given before the Church began, Christ confirms the action. Matthew 28:18-20 19 "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I commanded you; and lo, I am with you always, even to the end of the age. " NAS And, finally, Peter confirms the Lord’s command for baptism in the current age. Acts 10:48 48 And he ordered them to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked him to stay on for a few days. NAS As you so succinctly wrote, “It has nothing at all to do with legalism or salvation by works etc... but everything to do with humbling ourselves in submission to God in obedience to Him!”. Best regards, AO |
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2 | when a I saved and when baptised | Rom 10:9 | Hank | 189533 | ||
Aspiring Overseer - You posted, "Christian baptism is unquestionably a commandment of God." Yes, Scripture teaches that, and I nodded my head in agreement as I read this segment of your post. ..... But you continued with, "and must be obeyed for salvation." Well, AO, my vertical nod of assent rapidly changed to a horizontal shake of the head in disagreement. "Thou shalt not steal" is a commandment of God also. But if I obey that commandment by refraining from stealing, will that save me? Friend, I don't hold to baptismal regeneration because Scripture teaches salvation by grace alone by faith alone in Christ alone. The Scriptures you cited, ostensibly to prove the validity of baptismal regeneration, fail to say what you appear to imply that they say. The hour is late and I intend to labor the point no more, especially not at this hour to to stage a full remonstrance to your argument on behalf of baptismal regeneration, but to close this post with a summary statement, as follows: The Bible teaches that salvation is by God's grace alone, effected on the sole basis of the redemption of Jesus Christ. It is on the merit of His shed blood, His finished work on the cross, and not on the basis of human merit or works. Cf. John 1:12; Ephesdians 1:4-7; 2:8-10; 1 Peter 1:18,19. ...... I make this post in keen awareness of this subject having been treated of many times before on SBF, but with no intent at all to commence a debate on it, which always has a tendency to become heated, divisive, and ends up being counter-productive, benefitting no one. Thus, let those who wish to read more on the subject utilize the Search engine, and let's the rest of us move on to other topics. Thanks, AO, for revisiting SBF again after some time of absence. Blessings to you. --Hank | ||||||