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1 | Is God in absolut contrl over all things | Acts 4:24 | John Reformed | 62925 | ||
Dear Sir Pent, You wrote: "You said that God is not the Father of all people. I would disagree, but that is not relevant to our discussion," To the contrary: It is of the utmost importance! The primary actor in the analogy is God. Therefore, He must be represented by a fitting characterization. A father I have found to be unsuitable for reasons previously stated. A scientist also is a flawed and weak picture of the Almighty. I will accept a righteouss King or judge. How else can sovereignty be portrayed? Offhand nothing else comes to mind. Any thing short of what I have suggested will not work. God is not a father who offers goodies to fallen man (regardless of how some evangelists mis-represent the gospel). He comes as a King demanding their sumission to His will, which is to obey the gospel. Repent and believe! Mark 1:15 and saying, "The time is fulfilled, and the kingdom of God is at hand; repent and believe in the gospel." and: Acts 17:30 "Therefore having overlooked the times of ignorance, God is now declaring to men that all people everywhere should repent, Neither is God involved in an experiment. He is engaged in the fulfillment of His Eternal Plan. He has no need to discover anything for He has ordained all things that come to pass in accordance with His own decree. Jer 5:22 'Do you not fear Me?' declares the LORD. 'Do you not tremble in My presence? For I have placed the sand as a boundary for the sea, An eternal decree, so it cannot cross over it. Though the waves toss, yet they cannot prevail; Though they roar, yet they cannot cross over it. Do you not yet understand the reasons for my refusal? God must be represented as He is. If I accept anything less I am placed in a box trying to defend the indefensible. Eph 3:20,21 Now to Him who is able to do far more abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us, to Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus to all generations forever and ever. Amen. John |
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2 | Is God in absolut contrl over all things | Acts 4:24 | Sir Pent | 62932 | ||
Clarification continued ........................................... Dear John, It seems that you are a bit confused here, which I take some responsibility for. This thread has actually branched into two related but distinct and seperate discussions. The first discussion includes the Tom and Jerry analogy and deals with whether a person could accurately be described as having a FREE CHOICE within the Calvinist viewpoint. Let’s call that POINT ALPHA. The second discussion includes the Dollar Store analogy, the NIM game analogy, and your John Calvin quote. This second discussion deals with whether God could still be sovereign if He (as Arminians believe) allowed people to have both the ABILITY and FREEDOM to choose to love God or reject Him. Let’s call that POINT OMEGA. ........................................... Here in this last post you are saying that you have this big problem with the parent / scientist in the Tom and Jerry analogy because it doesn’t do justice to God’s sovereignity. The reason why I said that this is not relevant to our discussion is because I was referring to only POINT ALPHA. Since that is the part of the thread which we are currently adding posts to, I thought that it was obvious, however, I see now that you were confused. So to clarify, it doesn’t matter to POINT ALPHA what the parent / scientist is like in the Tom and Jerry analogy. All that really matters is that one boy has legs and the other doesn’t. The question is about Tom and Jerry. Do they really have a choice to walk to the ice cream store? Please remember that this part of the thread is only about FREE CHOICE, NOT about the SOVEREIGNITY of God. ........................................... P.S. I am still very interested in continuing our discussion on POINT OMEGA, which was the original intent of this thread, but I am still waiting on you resonse to my most recent post on the subject #62857. |
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