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NASB | Acts 4:24 And when they heard this, they lifted their voices to God with one accord and said, "O Lord, it is You who MADE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH AND THE SEA, AND ALL THAT IS IN THEM, |
AMPLIFIED 2015 | Acts 4:24 And when they heard it, they raised their voices together to God and said, "O Sovereign Lord [having complete power and authority], it is You who MADE THE HEAVEN AND THE EARTH AND THE SEA, AND EVERYTHING THAT IS IN THEM, [Ex 20:11; Ps 146:6] |
Subject: Is God in absolut contrl over all things |
Bible Note: Dear Sir Pent, “Tom and Jerry (unregenerate man) are wicked rebels and not innocent children.” However, I never said in the analogy that Tom and Jerry were innocent children." Please, any one reading your analogy can see that they are portrayed as innocent. It did'nt need to be spelled out for goodness sake! "All I said was that they were born with a condition (missing legs) that they could not change themselves." Neither twin wants nor desires new legs (heart) biblicaly speaking. They hate the idea of new legs and think this talk of ice cream is all hogwash anyway. "All I said was that the parent created Tom and Jerry a certain way (without any legs)." Yes but you failed to mention WHY they were created without legs (hearts of stone). It portrays the parent's decision as arbitrary, when, as we know (for the bible tell us so), that they were cursed by God because in Adam all (Tom and Jerry included) fell. " Let’s not quibble over body parts". OK "Your third reason was that “It was the sin of Adam that brought the curse of moral deformity upon our 2 rebels. Nevertheless, The Father is blameless.” You do agree so far, do you not? "we both agreed to: God unchangeably ordains everything that comes to pass. And in a previous post we also agreed that God is omniscient" Yes indeed, we did agree. " God knew before He created Adam that if He created him the way He intended, then Adam WOULD sin. Thus, when God chose to create Adam that way anyway, He was in effect creating a universe that WOULD be full of people who were unable to choose to love God (unless God changed their hearts)." Yes, so far so good. I assume you find nothing unsrciptural thus far. "I have tried to clarify why I still believe this analogy is an accurate one. Please let me know if you have any other reasons why you believe it is not." It may be accurate in a technical sense, but is too misleading to be of any real value in portraying God as He really is: JUST, MERCIFULL, HOLY, ALL KNOWING, ALLPOWERFUL ,LOVE PERSONIFIED and PERFECT IN ALL HIS WAYS. Please forgive me for saying so, but the parent in your analogy comes across as a monster. This is a common error of those who believe that if fallen man is unable (even if his inability is due to his own rebellious heart and it's wicked desires)then God would have to have been unjust. They then rush to defend against what they percieve as an attack against God by portaying the opposite view as a monstrosity. Please Sir Pent, I do not accuse you or anyone else of deliberately attempting to subvert the Bible or defame God in any way. God Forbid. It is merely a natural reaction to a percieved evil. And it is commendable to fight for GOD'S HONOR! What I hope to do is to show that God has done what He has done as taught in the Scripture and the view that says He has foreordained all things is not inconsistant with a Just and Holy God. Your Brother in Christ, John |