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1 | Question for Rowdy.... | Acts 2:38 | Rowdy | 133578 | ||
As I noted in another post, Country Gir is my wife and I neglected to change the automatic ID that comes up on the computer, thus my big goof. I apologize for the confusion. I didn't give scriptures as you put it because I've cited all 87 of them in the past. The sum total of those scriptures do make for a rather strong conclusion in most Bible student's minds, including mine. But you seem to have neglected to notice my challenge was never met with scripture either. I'll repeat the challenge for your reference and response if you'd like. Basically, I'm looking for a verse that says that we can be saved by faith only (alone) or belief only (alone), excluding all other features of Christianity. As I'm sure you already know, I mentioned earlier in the thread, the only place in the Bible that mentions this phrase is from James. James 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. In this verse the concept of "faith alone" is cited in a negative context. That is, faith alone won't get you anything with man or God. In this world, if a man says he has faith but then does NOT act like it, we say he's a hypocrite. Same attitude with God and His Son as shown in Rev 3:16. I don't see how the Bible or I could be any more clear about the matter. As I mentioned previously God does expect us to use our intellect and make certain conclusions based on His Word, especially in those few areas when some few verses aren't ideally clear like those verses pointed out by our dear friend Tim. I've also mentioned God isn't going to make this process of digging out His commands any simpler than He already has. It's all in His Book, our Bible. You know the scriptures at least as well as I do, probably a little better. This I do know: God will hold ALL of us accountable to His Words just like His Son said. John 12:44 And Jesus cried out and said, "He who believes in Me, does not believe in Me but in Him who sent Me. 45 "He who sees Me sees the One who sent Me. 46 "I have come as Light into the world, so that everyone who believes in Me will not remain in darkness. 47 "If anyone hears My sayings and does not keep them, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world. 48 "He who rejects Me and does not receive My sayings, has one who judges him; the word I spoke is what will judge him at the last day. 49 "For I did not speak on My own initiative, but the Father Himself who sent Me has given Me a commandment as to what to say and what to speak. 50 "I know that His commandment is eternal life; therefore the things I speak, I speak just as the Father has told Me." Is there anything more that could possibly be said that hasn't been said already? Take a look and let me know. God bless. Rowdy |
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2 | Question for Rowdy.... | Acts 2:38 | srbaegon | 133591 | ||
Hello Rowdy, Your challenge is a logical fallacy. You are setting conditions that are impossible to meet in order to win your argument. In common usage, the absence of a condition means that it is not required. If I order waffles at a restaurant, the waitress is not obligated to bring me sausage as well. You were given verses where faith or belief was the single condition necessary for salvation. The fact that James is the only place where the phrase is used should cause you to question if you might not have things completely backwards. Steve |
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3 | Question for Rowdy.... | Acts 2:38 | Rowdy | 133594 | ||
I'd like to think your statement would be conclusive except for verses like Mark 16:16 and Acts 2:38. No, my friend, I'm afraid the Bible is very clear on the matter. If a person wants to be certain of his salvation, at least as certain as he can be on this side of Judgment Day, then we have to follow ALL of God's Word. God bless. Rowdy |
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4 | Question for Rowdy.... | Acts 2:38 | srbaegon | 133600 | ||
Hello Rowdy, Yes, the Bible is very clear: Gen 15:6 (ESV) And [Abram] believed the Lord, and he counted it to him as righteousness. Romans 4:1-5 (ESV) What then shall we say was gained by Abraham, our forefather according to the flesh? [2] For if Abraham was justified by works, he has something to boast about, but not before God. [3] For what does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness." [4] Now to the one who works, his wages are not counted as a gift but as his due. [5] And to the one who does not work but trusts him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is counted as righteousness, Gal 3:2-7 (ESV) Let me ask you only this: Did you receive the Spirit by works of the law or by hearing with faith? [3] Are you so foolish? Having begun by the Spirit, are you now being perfected by the flesh? [4] Did you suffer so many things in vain—if indeed it was in vain? [5] Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith— [6] just as Abraham "believed God, and it was counted to him as righteousness"? Abraham is given as the example of faith unto righteousness. Notice how nothing was required--never has been, never will be. You have been challenged time and again on this matter, yet you refuse to respond to clear instruction. I can only assume you come seeking to destroy. Steve |
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5 | Question for Rowdy.... | Acts 2:38 | Rowdy | 133610 | ||
You keep on leaving out parts of the picture. With Abraham, remember He proved his faith to God when He told him offer his son as a sacrifice. Paul proved his devotion and commitment many times over, not the least of which included being baptized as cited Acts 9:18. James 2 deals with the works very thoroughly. Works are most certainly not to be considered part of the process but to be proofs of salvation after the fact. So baptism is not a work on our part; it's the Lord's working in us. Now that I've answered/responded to your points, how about taking a chop at answering/responding to my main point about believing or proving one's faith without any kind of proofs at all. Show a definite contrast between your belief and that of the devil's belief in God. I pray that God blesses you in your response. Rowdy |
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