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1 | Baptism-What Does the Bible Teach? | Acts 2:38 | Reighnskye | 133790 | ||
Rowdy, I have not so much suggested that Paul was not an advocate of baptism. Indeed Paul was an advocate of the entire Law of Moses, and preached wholly in it's support. However, he did not view the Law so much as the vehicle of salvation. I apologize for coming late into this thread, insofar as my focus had been in other threads, and I seldom venture into threads that have been running for a long time, unless I was involved with them in their early stages. I would like to better understand your position. Are you saying that water baptism is a requirement of salvation, and that a person will be eternally damned if they are not water baptized? Again, as per the many verse references that you gave, we clearly see that Paul was a staunch advocate of baptism, even as he greatly supported obedience to the Law of Moses. The practice of baptism originated from Old Testament Law, with the ceremonial cleansing of the priests. While Peter and James may have advocated a strict Law obedience (for example, circumcision) to be members of the church, it doesn't seem that Paul was so strict with the Gentiles. Perhaps he was with the Jews. - Romans 7 12 So then, the Law is holy, and the commandment is holy and righteous and good. (NAS95) - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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2 | Baptism-What Does the Bible Teach? | Acts 2:38 | Rowdy | 133837 | ||
"I would like to better understand your position. Are you saying that water baptism is a requirement of salvation, and that a person will be eternally damned if they are not water baptized?" In response to your question above, I can only quote just one of the scriptures that applies. Mark 16:16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. As I understand the scriptures here, the Lord is very clear. The word "and" is a conjuction which marries the two verbs "believe" and "be baptized." I realize not everyone endorses this interpretation but there are many millions throughout the world that do. I futher understand it's not a popular concept with the Forum or the Lockman Foundation as evidenced by the famous "Note to Viewers" hereunder. I can only quote from the scriptures and comply with their simple message. I would also re-introduce to you the verses below in what I call the Lord's principle of "better safe than sorry." Matt 5:29 "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. 30 "If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell. I hope this helps in clarifying the issue. God bless. Rowdy |
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3 | Baptism-What Does the Bible Teach? | Acts 2:38 | Reighnskye | 133991 | ||
Rowdy, I in no way dispute the veracity of either Mark 16:16 or Acts 2:38, as being fully applicable upon the early Jewish church. - Mark 16 16 "He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. (NAS95) Mark 16 16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (KJV) Acts 2 38 Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (NAS95) Acts 2 38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (KJV) - Where we may differ, perhaps, is the applicability of these verses upon the Gentile churches under Paul. I view water baptism as an Old Testament practice, much like maintaining the Sabbath or being circumcised. These are all ordinances that the early Jewish church, under the authority of Peter and James, was quick to conform to. If anyone did not conform to these ordinances, they would likely be quickly excommuncated from the early Jewish church. Would it not be fair to say that water baptism is an Old Testament ordinance, that originates from the Law of Moses? Baptism originated as a ceremonial cleansing from the Old Testament priests, and was also practiced by John the Baptist (apt name here), prior to the formation of the early Jewish church. In fact, Jesus himself conformed to water baptism. John the Baptist, at the age of thirty, and as a descendent of Zacharias, now had authority to baptize the Savior, in accordance with Jewish Law. I have other scriptures to present to you, but I'm trying to figure out where your general beliefs are on a few issues first, so I may potentially offer appropriate scriptures. - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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4 | Baptism-What Does the Bible Teach? | Acts 2:38 | Rowdy | 133996 | ||
I would refer you to my recent Post No 133984 and the one just under it to Tim Moran. I'm convinced that baptism is required of all who want to be assured of their salvation before Judgment Day. Also, I would refer you to the sum total picture from the 87 verses on the matter of baptism found throughout the NT. After reading all these posts and the 87 verses, I'd be interested in discussing with you your response. God bless. Rowdy |
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5 | Baptism-What Does the Bible Teach? | Acts 2:38 | Reighnskye | 134241 | ||
Rowdy, Thanks. I got a chance to read the post that you mentioned. I've also had opportunity over the years to read the many verses on baptism that the bible provides, assuming that these are the 87 verses that you are referring to. What I'll probably do is jump in on some of your future posts, rather than do a full reading of the previous ones, as my time frame may reasonably allot. Perhaps in that way, I can catch myself up to speed, with what you're saying. - Blessings, Reighnskye |
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