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1 | Baptism-What Does the Bible Teach? | Acts 2:38 | Rowdy | 133442 | ||
I appreciate your contribution to this discussion and looking forward to others' participation. But you didn't cite any verses that either say "believe only" or teach such a concept. Please cite such a verse if you can. Also, I'd love to see your response to my challenge to BradK about the connection between these processes of getting into God's family 1) the Jewish family or Isrealites during the OT era and 2) the christian family under the Headship of Jesus Christ. Specifically, I'm comparing the process by which a foreigner was allowed into these two fellowships. In the former, the process was consumated with circumcision before which a man was NOT considered part of the family. In the latter, the process of Plan of Salvation if you prefer is consumated with baptism as shown throughout the Book of Acts. By the way, I agree that we are INDEED saved by Grace through our faith as you've cited in Eph 8. Part of that faith process involves total submission to Christ's Terms and Conditions as cited throughout the 87 verses on this subject of baptism. You see, our God really requires a lot more than just belief for the devil believes. So, apparently it's NOT all that big a deal to believe in God or His Son. The big difference that both God and His Son want to see is how we respond to our belief. That's one reason why Christ says Matthew 7:21 Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. Looking forward to your reply. God bless. Rowdy |
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2 | Isn't 24 more than one? | Acts 2:38 | Morant61 | 133450 | ||
Greetings Rowdy! You asked for one, I gave you 24! Which of these verses listed any requirement other than faith? Your Brother in Christ, Tim Moran |
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3 | Isn't 24 more than one? | Acts 2:38 | Rowdy | 133460 | ||
I can only put it to you like it was put to me as a student. The single one place in the Bible where it discusses faith alone is in James 2:24 You see that a man is justified by works and not by faith alone. Now I'd be the last person in the world to propose that we can earn our way to Heaven BUT as I've stated plainly there's simply no way a person can prove that one can go to Heaven by simply BELIEVING in God and not prove it. God is going to be looking for His Seal of Approval, Proof that we really have taken on the Lord, His Son in baptism. Gal 3:27 For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. Col 2:11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, I may not quote 24 verses to counter your 24 but all I need is one as that's all that God will need on Judgment Day. So why don't you tell me. Since we could quote scriptures to each other all day, what are we going to do? Which side of this controversial fence would you want to take a chance and make a mistake since there's so many verses on this subject? You see, the negative side of the two verses above would be rendered as follows: For as many of you as have NOT been baptized into Christ have NOT put on Christ. In Him you were NOT circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by NOT putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by NOT being circumcised of Christ, I haven't done it yet but I'd like to think a similar action could be done to the 85 other verses that talk about baptism. Insert the word NOT into those respective verses and see if it makes sense with the end result of salvation. It seems impossible that it would. Now, of course the negative of your 24 verses would also be true. If a person does NOT believe, of course he's NOT going to be baptised or even be interested in being saved. So what is the more conservative or safer position to take with you to Judgment Day? I noticed you didn't address the fact that the devil believes in God and yet it's clear and plain that he's not going to Heaven. How do you plan to distinguish yourself from the devil on Judgment Day? I do hope you can see the logic in all this. God bless. Rowdy |
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4 | Isn't 24 more than one? | Acts 2:38 | srbaegon | 133464 | ||
Hello Rowdy, Nowhere in Scripture do we find that baptism is "God's seal of approval" either. Those are your words. You place a great deal of emphasis taking the safe route. Do you also keep the Law and carry a rabbit's foot for good measure? In the final analysis, that's how little you esteem the abundant grace of God. Steve |
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5 | Isn't 24 more than one? | Acts 2:38 | Rowdy | 133475 | ||
I'm sorry, I should have referred you to the post wherein I cited the following verse Col 2:11 In Him you were also circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, by putting off the body of the sins of the flesh, by the circumcision of Christ, 12buried with Him in baptism, in which you also were raised with Him through faith in the working of God, who raised Him from the dead. Like I alluded to in an earlier post, circumcision was the seal of God's approval adding a foreign Gentile to the Jewish family. This verse above makes it pretty clear that the modern seal for christians is baptism. It's the act of total obedience, indicating total submission of our will to God's Will, just like circumcision was for those folks in the OT, especially for grown men. Our wisdom is submitted to His Wisdom. 1 Cor 1:24 but to those who are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God and the wisdom of God. 25Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men, and the weakness of God is stronger than men. Also 1 Pet 3:21 There is also an antitype which now saves us--baptism (not the removal of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God), through the resurrection of Jesus Christ, Just what do you think is the antitype that Peter is referring to? What else could it possibly be? How can you ignore the power of 87 verses, mentioning baptism in the NT that together as a whole is far more powerful than the 70 times repentance is mentioned throughout the whole Bible? So what basic principle would you call when Jesus was illustrating with his discussion of chopping off hands and gouging out eyeballs? Why are there not thousands or millions of christians walking around missing body parts? Please advise. "In the true final analysis," on Judgment Day, I want to be one of those hearing "Well done good and faithful servant." Better than that, I want to be certain so I don't trust rabbit's feet or any other superstition. I put ALL of my trust in God's Word, ALL of His Word. That's how much I esteem the Grace of God. How about you? Which portion of God's Word are you obeying? God bless. Rowdy |
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6 | Isn't 24 more than one? | Acts 2:38 | srbaegon | 133480 | ||
Hello Rowdy, "Like I alluded to in an earlier post, circumcision was the seal of God's approval adding a foreign Gentile to the Jewish family." No, it's not. God's seal of approval is his presence. We see that in vividly pictured with Israel. As long as God was dwelling with them, they had blessing or a chance of recovery after sinning. Finally, God removed his presence as written in Ezekiel, and the people went into captivity. It's the same way with Christians. God's presence is with us in the Holy Spirit. He seals, baptizes, indwells, and fills us. Jesus promised to be with us always. The Father is with us as well. That's the seal of approval. "It's the act of total obedience, indicating total submission of our will to God's Will, just like circumcision was for those folks in the OT, especially for grown men." Which is why an entire generation of circumcised men died in the wilderness--because of their total obedience to God. I don't think so. Circumcision was the sign of the covenant--nothing more (Gen 17:10-14). Steve |
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7 | Isn't 24 more than one? | Acts 2:38 | following him | 133482 | ||
Hello Steve: You are absolutley right about circumcision being the sign of the covenant. What's more is that it was a sign of God's faithful to Abraham not Abraham's faithfulness to God. Gen 17:7 "I will establish My covenant between Me and you and your descendants after you throughout their generations for an everlasting covenant, to be God to you and to your descendants after you." Circumcision was what God gave Abraham to do as acknowledgement of God's covenant with him. Gen 17:11 "And you shall be circumcised in the flesh of your foreskin, and it shall be the sign of the covenant between Me and you." But Abraham's righteousness was established long before this and it was based off his faith in God not the circumcision. See Gen 15:1-6 Blessing to you Aaron |
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